cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don’t abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

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    YouTube will not change until people stop using it. And people do not want to put up with the inconvenience of not having a YouTube type service again for the amount of time it would take for YouTube to change or a viable competitor to take their place, it really is that simple.

    Are YouTube and Google terrible? For sure, but it only got this way because the only backstop to holding them accountable, the consumer, has proven that they will choose putting up with shitty products and services in the name of convenience 9 times out of 10.

    Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.

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      Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.

      Yep, I remember when Netlfix first put it out there that they would start with the ads, and everyone on reddit was like, “Canceling my Netflix right now!!”

      Netflix is doing just fine without the 5 redditors who actually did cancel it. lmao

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        the problem is so many people are willing to say they’ll take a stand.

        but when the time comes, the mindnumbingly overwhelming majority suck it up, because they must have their precious shiny and can not suffer even the mildest of inconvenience.

        Its my biggest gripe in gaming, but its a enormous gripe just in general, with everything. because it doesnt matter if you are talking about appliances, creative software, video games, streaming services, stores, etc.

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      While I agree, I have a hard time seeing how people will stop using it until the field changes. Maybe in 10 years it will the the MySpace of the sitcom era, but right now it’s still growing. That growth is giving it carte blanche to manipulate the users as it sees fit. Regulation might impact it, but it’s still a bit of a Goliath.

      • Compared to 2023, YouTube’s user base has grown by 20 million this year, representing a 0.74% increase. From Global media insights

      Also the active user base is 2.7 billion people in 2024 from the same source above.

      The alternatives are out there, but just not in the same league.

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        Regulation might impact it

        I’m having a hard time seeing any bill get passed that supports the rights of users to watch videos without the ads that support the creators and the platform that they’re watching.

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          I don’t think this requires an act of congress. I think you might see more consumer advocation on the part of FTC (although it doesn’t currently regulate online broadcast), or potentially the CFPB.

          Admittedly it’s more likely to see the EU do some regulations, but it all depends on the election.

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            I think it needs regulation, the whole streaming industry needs to be regulated! It can’t be that the competition is made using exclusive content and you have to live with privacy infringement tech to consume cultural art legally.

            In my opinion, in a capitalist system, the market competition should be about delivering the content the best way, not about what content they deliver.

            Right now, they can made the delivery as shitty as they want, because what takes them apart from competition is the exclusive content, not the tech.

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      Time to pirate YT content and upload to usenet to be automatically downloaded using sonarr

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    i absolutely despise youtube. these fuckers are putting ads on paused videos now, and then this.

    they will never get better. only worse. we need regulations badly.

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          Competitor with no content, users is not a competitor. Youtube should be forced to share content they do not own. Just for the sake of competition.

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            The content isn’t the problem. It’s the delivery system. No one else has the storage and network capacity that Youtube has. And as a result of that, no one else has the built-in audience Youtube has. Putting your videos on YT is simply the best way to get views.

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              Pretty much every Alternative Tech platform also has a huge far right population Lemmy is an exception to this but has a decently sized far left population instead I dunno how it is now but a lot of people complained a couple of weeks ago about Nazis joining Bluesky and one of the guys from Bluesky covering them

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        Paying Nebula subscriber here 🙋‍♂️

        Pony up or your call for a competitor doesn’t mean anything. People don’t want ads? Fine. There has to be another revenue stream. Server capacity costs money, making a website and app cost money, and video creators need to eat.

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          Does anyone really post anything to Dailymotion besides blatantly unauthorized TV stuff? I can’t imagine it’d be very good vibes for anyone trying to make an honest living with original content over there.

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          Dailymotion does not allow for commenting anymore. That’s why I stopped using it.

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        Works for Albania.

        Its not like google fucking earned that money anyways. You don’t earn billions of dollars.

        Think about it. If you earned a million dollars a year, you’d be set for life. If you lived for a full hundred years you’d have only made 1/10th of a billion dollars. Despite the fact that its still more money than either of us will probably ever see.

        The people who operate google have billions with an s at the end. Think about the hardest working person you’ve known. Think about how little money they made.

        Now ask yourself, what did the people with billions do to earn that money? How hard did they have to work to justify it, and how is that level of work even humanly possible? How would a bunch of spoiled overgrown trustfund fratboys find it in themselves do that work?

        They fucking don’t. The only people who get that rich do it by cheating, and stealing, and fucking people over. Those fuckers owe us a lot more than video streaming services.

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        They’re a monopoly that relies on users to produce content. You see, in a functional capitalist system, when one supplier deliberately hinders competition through unfair trade practices, they are made to change their methods in order to foster competition.

        When that system is corrupted and fails to act in a timely manner, all bets are off.

        You know where else you can go to find the billions of videos users have uploaded? No. How did it get that way? Just, luck? No.

        Yes, we want regulations on ads in YouTube, and it’s an ignorant and arrogant position to call that “entitled”.

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        You’ll never get upvotes for telling people this reality, but you are of course completely correct.

        If only we saw as much enthusiasm for voting generally as we see for taking ads off YT. Maybe we’d actually get a government that was willing to regulate titans.

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    Not just invidious, they’ve just de facto blocked video embedding:

    If you’re wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.

    EDIT: This is related to my VPN I believe, but storefronts still aren’t going to be happy if they can’t rely on their storefronts working for everyone.

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      yo rainworld i used to have a friend that was a fan of that game

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      Professional hosting for business use is not hard, and fairly common even. But these make up a tiny fraction of YouTube videos, and they mostly post there to get organic growth and be suggested to people already watching YouTube.

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        Sure but it’s really common to see embedded youtube videos on storefronts, and if storefronts en masse abandoned it that’s one more piece of the market that youtube has lost.

        They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point. They’re enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.

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          They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point

          They can very much afford to lose a tiny amount of marketshare in exchange for a massive increase in ad and subscription revenue, is my point.

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            “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

            And they rely on the network effect to be the de facto standard video hoster. Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

            The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

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              “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

              Don’t have one. Pure speculation. Much like yours, I assume? Unless you have a source to the contrary?

              How often do you see professional videos on the trending page on YT?

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                Source for what? The network effect? I gave you a link, you can read.

                And youtube is enshittifying.

                These are both well-established effects. My sourcing is finished now. It beats your “pure speculation” unless you have something else you want to add.

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        Could be, maybe it’s intermittent, but the more times they try to lock this shit down and it stops working for storefronts, the more unreliable it becomes.

        What percentage of visits can they afford to have this error happen before they seek alternatives? If it were my business and I didn’t know how many customers were closing the store page because the video didn’t play and they lost interest, I would be immediately looking for an alternative.

        EDIT: Still broken for me. I can fix it by turning off my VPN, but storefronts are going to want to sell to everyone, including the VPN users.

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    The elites don’t want you to know but “[y]ou may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home)”

    Following their guide gives a local Invidious client, don’t forget to 1) copy their production compose file instead of using the one on git and 2) change “hmac_key”… from my experience setting up cron (crontab -e) to restart the docker container once per day keeps the Invidious docker healthy


    Edit: here are some alternatives for popular Google services. Not in anyway related to the above (smirk

    • Google itself: SearXNG (try searx.be first), one of the easiest services to self-host
    • Gmail/calendar: a lot of people seem to swear by one of Proton Mail, Tutanota or Mailbox.org. Self-hosting is possible but challenging
    • Google Drive: You mean Nextcloud?
    • Google maps: Organic Maps is actually getting pretty good now
    • Google Chrome: at the very least there is Chromium… obviously there is Firefox and Firefox forks (such as Librewolf), as well as other smaller browsers
    • Google Play: F-Droid hosts a lot of FOSS stuff, and there are alternative ways to access Play (such as Aurora Store)
    • Android: a bit more difficult… but there is LineageOS, GrapheneOS, and similar stuff
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      If you do this, I would be fully prepared to lose access to all your Google services along with anyone else who may use Google services on the same IP. Gmail, Play store, Chrome, etc, etc can easily be wiped out with a ban from Google and this can seriously fuck people’s day up if they’ve used Gmail and have 2FA setup on any external account.

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        I guess I forgot to take that into consideration… I’m not worried about Google banning my IP since I essentially don’t use any Google services at all and my home IP is hidden behind a wireguard tunnel, but yes that is a valid concern

        But I mean someone can just spin it up on their home network so… No way 192.168.0.1:3000 can get someone into trouble right

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      I’ve seen it go down in some cases on VPNs, so it could be a matter of time (or they’ll find a solution again and the back and forth will just continue).

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      And how are they going to make a living to keep producing videos?

      I’d say ask them to join Nebula.

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        Nebula is cool and all, but at the end of the day, it’s still a commercial platform, and those do tend to enshittify and depend a lot on externalities.

        As creators grow more dependent on Nebula, Sam and the team of original Nebula creators can wield more power and change the rules.

        They already dictate the kind of content that is allowed - for example, Second Thought, one of the original creators behind Nebula, was asked to leave as he doesn’t agree to change public stance on Israeli-Palestinian conflict (he is pro-Palestine). This has suddenly left him without a source of revenue necessary for the production to expand, and has put him into debt.

        Solution? Probably independent sponsorships that would go both on YouTube and PeerTube videos. Or a creator reward system like in Lbry/Odysee. Something that would allow to reward creators without going full commercial.

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        That depends. If they only make a living with YT ads, then it’s going to be hard.

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          About half the ads I see on YouTube are already within the videos they post. I wonder what the overall ratio is of YouTube ad revenue versus in-video ad revenue.

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            Are you talking about sponsors? Because yes, that has nothing to do with YT ads.

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          I guess I forgot things like Patreon which could be a valid option. Although I’m neither a fan of subscribing to specific creators nor am I particularly fond of Patreon.

          With Nebula my perception is that I pay a monthly fee and they can figure out who gets what depending on whose videos I watched. I don’t need to be particular in my action on who to support.

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            Nebula is a good option, but now you’ve created a paywall. Now only people who can afford it, can watch the content and what is to keep Nebula from upping the price of the subscription?

            If ads is out of the question, then content creators need to use sponsors and patrons, if they want to make a living.

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              People want a fantasy world where all the main content is free and two or three rich sponsors support the creator by sponsoring little extras only available to Patreon supporters. The ends will never meet in the middle on that. It’s a fantasy where people get what they want for free because someone else pays for it. Won’t work. Get out your cash, kids. Cancel your Netflix and put the money into Nebula.

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                Don’t shift the blame on “people wants” as if they’re owed by the people. Most people dont even ask for whatever content that is pushed out. And what’s more content creator is just a glorified term for online digital panhandlers. And they frame it as if viewers are meant to owe them something all while contributing as little to their efforts that amounts to no significance as possible. Imagine paying someone to make a facial reaction and talking for a bit everytime you passed a panhandler and they call themselves a content creator. It’s bogus way to frame or even justify that especially considering they get payed far larger sums comparison to people who actully work for a living while dodging the taxes. And is unlikely any such platform as youtube as well as its big panhandlers are struggling with finances. Youtube gets $15 billion dollars a year in ad revenue and hey greedily continue the push for more ads. And the digital panhandlers calling themselves content creators can make more money in a week than the typical wage slave can in a year.

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              An advantage of funding things via a collective like Nebula as opposed to each individual creator managing their own patrons is that new creators can start making bigger, more expensive projects quicker. Even established creators have this advantage, they can take bigger risks on bigger projects with the safety net of a share of the nebula pie.

              I don’t think a project like The Prince would exist without Nebula, for example.

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        Remember when people posted on YouTube for fun? It’s only when it became a viable business that the platform turned to shit.

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          Ah yes, youtube now is just one big ad and sponsorship cesspool flooded with clickbait and misinformation and with highly privacy invasive protocol. Its a souless capitalisic corporate machine. I dont know why people would still use it. Just let youtube die.

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        All the people I watch on youtube make the majority of their money on patreon or twitch. Youtube is way too heavy handed with demonitization and copyright strikes to be a trutsworthy income source.

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        Paying Nebula subscriber here 🙋‍♂️

        I can’t stand hearing people whine about wanting everything for free and how DARE people try to make a living so they can eat in between making videos!!!

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        Same way they do on YT. Viewer contributions + sponsor spots + merch. They only miss out on ad revenue (which I concede is not insignificant).

        Nebula is ok but I took 1 look at their privacy policy and passed.

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        I just want the videos no creator makes money on. I expect thats about 50% at least. Let’s start there. Put them in the Library of Congress and YouTube will be free to enshittify themselves into oblivion without complaint.

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      or odysee ig but i cannot find a good peertube instance i can post in

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        What are your criteria for a good instance? I host one myself, so genuinely curious.

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          The age limit yeah I think the peertube instances on their site follow the gdpr

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            Yea, a minimum of 13 years old is pretty common. Also something I agree with, as I don’t think kids under 13 should be on social media.

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              talking about most of them have a minimum of 16 but 13 is fair honestly its everywhere but i am 14

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                  Yeah i already signed up but my videos require approval i registered before this reply

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      And while we’re at it, stop calling them ‘content creators’

      EDIT: to clarify, my stance on this is that ‘content creator’ devalues the human endeavour behind a piece of work (or content, if you will). Instead it’s just slop for the machine, and who cares what it is as long as it gets numbers, right?

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        What is the alternative name for someone who creates content for a platform?

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            So what should we say when discussing people who make video, audio, text media?

            I see their point about “content”, where, on YouTube, for example, it devalues the videos as subordinate to YouTube as a platform, but I think as people use the word “content” it loses that connotation.

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          Well, we start by referring ta work not as “content”, but as what it actually is. Then work from there. For instance, one could ostensibly call Ahoy a filmmaker or a documentary maker.

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            … Which is a type of content.

            There’s a lot of content that doesn’t fit neatly into a category though, because it was made by someone turning on a camera and making a video without worrying about any commercial concerns. So calling someone like that a creator is a catch all term for anyone making content for a platform.

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            Bruh that dude is a CONTENT CREATOR, not a filmmaker 😂🤣🤣

            His internet videos are colourful animations meant to serve ads while capturing attention and summarizing Wikipedia articles giving some thoughts on them, and I love them, but it’s called content for a reason.

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            Showman/woman refers to a pretty specific type of performer, I.E someone who is on stage typically.

            Entertainer isn’t a label I’d necessarily apply to educational content, for example.

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                Yes it’s much better to use

                “comedians/teachers/musicians/educators/entertianers/phonereviewers/sportscommenters/singers/journalists/programmers/documenters/analysts/lawyers/lockpickers/politicians/presenters/trolls”

                … than…

                “content creators”.

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                What do you have against creators as a label? I don’t really see these difference myself.

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                Or just call them Content creators, recognize they don’t really produce value for anyone but YT’s grab on the attention economy and start living in the real world.

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            Not all content is entertaining. Someone who makes tutorials I wouldn’t call an entertainer. That’s why “content creator” is used as a catch all term to cover all of it.

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          To answer the “why”, it’s because the word “content” is kinda meaningless. Instead of making films, documentaries, talk shows, reference guides, cartoons… it’s all just this generic “content” slop that’s just there to feed the machine

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              It’s not that strange, I have a friend who literally said the same thing today in reference to one of his favourite channels shutting down. He preferred to call the stuff on this channel art, rather than content. I agree with the person above too, the term has always bugged me. It makes it sound so mass produced, like your job is to just produce meaningless “content” for people to mindlessly consume. And to be honest, that’s exactly what the mainstream YouTube culture is about.

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                I agree with this a lot. I really do not like the term “content”. It is like going to a recipe for some “slop”, like using a term that is just a catch all for everything tossed on a plate.

                Art is great. Movies, music are also fine terms. And so is simply saying they made a video. Watering it all down to the term “content” is just so boring and mind numbing.

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              Not really. The term “content creator” is corporate speak. Google’s ad-based business model has a binary classification: content and ads. It’s not an inaccurate term, but using it implicitly endorses the corporation’s binary world view.

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            That’s pretty insulting, a lot of what YouTube creators do takes real skill, and it’s a full time job for many.

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    You can still watch YouTube without ads using grayjay.app including sponsor block.

    Thanks to Louis Rossman

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        Sure, that works too, however with grayjay you can follow creaters across platforms. So in case someone’s account gets banned by YouTube due to whatever bullshit reason, you can continue following them on other platforms. Next to that you won’t get spammed with Shorts junk. If you want to download a video to watch it offline, you can actually watch it offline (you don’t require a connection like with YouTube to watch something offline)

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        But ur data gets raped if u don’t use a VPN + no account (but then u don’t get to see age restricted material)

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    newpiped and freetube will continue to work but piped is also blocked as well

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    Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

    This might explain why mine has been reliable even though it hasn’t been updated in months. I guess add me to the list of confirmations that it works on residential connections.

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    For those who are want something similar to invidious, you can try youtube-local (not my project, I am just a user). It is a minimal python youtube client, and functions similar to other frontends, but runs locally. You lose some amount of privacy (youtube still has a general idea of who is watching with IPs), but it is not very exact, and there is an option to use tor to get the content. You can also enable sponsorblock, or hide yt-shorts.

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    Sad to hear. Newpipe is still working fine (as of a couple minutes ago) if that helps. That’s through a residential IP. I will try yt-dlp from a data center IP when I get a chance. I hope they haven’t blocked that.

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    I would suggest the devs to be able to create instances from within tor. It would be slow, but impossible to block. Or from any other network that don’t rely on single IP access to YouTube . Or, make a mesh of collaborative home instances. Google can’t block millions of home IPs. Or use any mesh collaborative network capable of it.

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    Wow all this bullying is really convincing me to go back to their shitty platform.

    If i can’t access my fav creators anymore itl just motivate me to do sm productive, like building web3

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      If i can’t access my fav creators anymore itl just motivate me to do sm productive

      YT literally does not care. You may not, but I suspect MANY more people will go back to watching ads or signing up for Premium. Just like when Netflix canceled password sharing and everyone complained but their revenue went up by 15%.

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        I don’t judge people who give in to the oppressor. Life is hard and you have to pick your battles, more important stuff then blocking ads for “normal” people.

        For me its largely a disability/accessibility thing. The whole site is not usable.

        Its not that i want to die on this hill its that corporate bullshit is measurably detrimental to my health. My hill is the only one i can exist on.

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    People should learn to live without YT, instead of making an existential drama about it (about its ads, really).

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      This is the way. Let those content creators sucking up your time be the background noise they were always meant to be.

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        tell me you don’t work in IT without telling me you don’t work in IT.

        YT is more than just thots in shorts and fake scumbag competition game show hosts.

        there’s a whole community of educators and creators that are genuinely useful and is the core of what YT used to be used for.

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          I have a BSc in CompSci and an MSc in Cybersec & Dig. Forensics and I’m actively employed as a mid level engineer in the field on a fully employer-sponsored Skilled Worker Visa, doing everything from vulnerability management and triage to GRC for ISO27001 to advising product and engineering teams on implementation details for best practices and compliance for a multinational org to DR&BC tabletops etc etc. I think this counts as IT.

          Perhaps even more impressively though: I use Vim btw (to program in C).

          I am not necessarily trying to brag very much, only to establish my own perspective, I don’t consider myself particularly talented or intelligent or successful - otherwise I’d have gone into research, but I am currently (and kinda always) studying to improve my skills and stay up to date.

          Just recently I decided to take a look into pentesting to learn the l33t side of things more as my education only ever briefly touched on it, I started in August as something to keep my brain sane during studies for the settlement visa (Life in the UK) test, and I’ve made it to Hacker Rank on HackTheBox a week ago or so. I think I watched a grand total of one Ippsec video, the rest of everything I read.

          I don’t know where you got the “game show hosts” from my comment, and I’m not aware of this if it exists as some broader trend. I don’t see YouTube shorts it’s all long blocked for me since release haha.

          Yes YT tutorials and whatnot are good, but they are only good as broad introductions to a topic, personal opinions, or a particular historical narrative (Dr.Chuck on C’s history for instance). Those are few good nuggets between an endless sea of scams selling you a course or some other grift.

          At a certain point you should start going a bit more in depth and reading - actively engaging with the material, move beyond simply knowing or purely copying and pasting terminal commands and understand why things work the way they do.

          You don’t become an electrical engineer or something by watching electroboom, you learn what it’s about yes, but the rest you learn by reading and making, even basic arduino/breadboard projects will teach you more.

          The best thing about YouTube is how good it is as background noise.

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            Ahh, that makes sense. you’re not the target demographic of YT. you’re too educated and too driven and you learn through more advanced methods.

            that’s OK, great for you and I’m happy that you’re so successful. now, what about the millions of users that don’t have the means to access higher education and training provided by their employers? what about the 18yo kid living in a leaky trailer with their methed out mom or dad that’s looking for literally any way out they can afford.

            perhaps in your quest you surrounded yourself with ultra successful people and forgot that there is a whole world with billions of people that do not have the same means as you do.

            not trying to diminish the hard work and efforts you have clearly applied, but just because you did doesn’t mean everyone can.

            by removing easy access to content provided by these communities, even if they are wholly or partially incorrect, it only deepens the chasm between long term professional success and endentured struggle.

            I will not support any action that denies a life the opportunity to rise above their status and claim a better life for themselves and their family. for every one person who stands above their born status increases the potential successes of those around them, and even cooler, it’s a feedback system. your successes become their successes, and their successes become our successes.

            Just to make it clear, I’m not trying to diminish your success I’m just trying to establish my perspective on your perspective so that we can share in a perspective that includes our success.

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              Oh no I totally understand that I’m privileged as all hell.

              That said I also learned a helluva lot more outside of my degree during said degree and after.

              Formal teaching is really like YouTube and it’s meant to introduce you to what you don’t know more than anything, and as I said that’s a good thing as an introduction, but the vast majority of content is written, and you learn far more from it.