• Keld [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    901·
    5 days ago

    I think adopting the smear that Hasan tortured his dog is weird. Like it’s so very obviously a lie, and it’s very obviously politically motivated by people who support genocide and racism.

    Hasan is worthy of criticism, we don’t need to trust IDF groupies to do so.

    Edit: On a meta level it’s also kind of creepy. Like people either didn’t believe this or were willing to overlook dog torture until they disagreed with him politically? That’s messed up.

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    76·
    5 days ago

    I feel like I’m taking loopy pills. The guy was literally an ex blackwater merc and marine in iraq, had a death’s head tattoo, and a slew of other things, and people are like “waow I can’t believe he did this scumbag stuff!”

    • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      30·
      5 days ago

      Literally the first thing I heard about this dude was that he had a Nazi tattoo & that he worked for blackwater, I knew he was a piece of shit off the bat. Imagine my surprise when there were leftists advocating for him

        • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          502·
          5 days ago

          He also supported Palestine on and before October 8 2023 at great personal cost, he has supported Iran through the entire conflict as well. He has been very supportive of China as a socialist project.

          His takes on Russia Ukraine are mediocre or sometimes bad.

          He offered preference to platner, although his support was pretty tepid and not really at the level of “endorsement” in the way this meme characterizes it. He called it “critical support” and now he needs to own that.

          As usual I would like to offer a fair assessment of people and institutions rather than trying to dunk on a caricature of someone (or support a caricature either), but I guess that’s not as fun.

          • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            18·
            5 days ago

            He offered preference to platner, although his support was pretty tepid and not really at the level of “endorsement” in the way this meme characterizes it. He called it “critical support” and now he needs to own that.

            He still is misrepresenting the troop thing, so that aspect of the OP is totally deserved.

            • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              71·
              5 days ago

              The aspect of the OP that I would contest is the implication that Hasan ever suggested Platner to be an “ideal leftist candidate”.

              I think it would be beneficial to the conversation if you substantiate what youre saying because your comment is very nonspecific.

              • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                10·
                5 days ago

                I think it would be beneficial to the conversation if you substantiate what youre saying because your comment is very nonspecific.

                On the stream when this news first broke, there were tangents were chat was challenging him around if he’d have the same level of tolerance for an ex-IDF candidate, and he went on and on about how troop exploders are bad and it’s actually very important that we allow for repentant vets to be accepted as allies, tacitly ignoring that Platner is by no means “repentant” and wears his “service” as a badge of honor. This is how Hasan has been talking about Platner basically the whole time and it’s deeply annoying and disingenuous, and using his whining about “ultras” as a smokescreen for tailism.

              • Blakey [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                7·
                5 days ago

                The meme also depicts Bernie Sanders saying “heil Hitler”, which honestly is WAY more out of pocket than Hasan calling Platner an “ideal candidate”. You are way too invested in defending Hasan over something that is extremely obviously intended to be caricature rather than an accurate depiction.

                • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  51·
                  5 days ago

                  I’m not exactly invested I’m interested in the discussion. Discussing Bernie on hexbear.net in 2026 is not interesting to me. Hasan is far more influential over left politics than Bernie right now so in order to keep the discussion interesting it needs to be accurate.

          • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            7·
            5 days ago

            His takes on Russia Ukraine are mediocre or sometimes bad.

            kinda dressing them up, he regularly jerks it to ukrainian stochastic terror on people that used to be ukrainian in the donbas

            • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              5·
              5 days ago

              The context is that Hasan’s view is that “as long as he is Anti-israel, then it’s worth people to vote for, the priority is ending support for the genocide and the Israeli state on a political level, regardless of the personal background of the politician”. To my knowledge the rest of his commentary on Platner was analysis rather than outright support from a “harm reduction” perspective.

              The “I dont care” is not exactly a literal “I dont care about the bad things he did, and im perfectly fine with him as a candidate” it is more “I have discussed this at length on stream in my political commentary, and some of you keep coming at me from my left about it but ‘I dont care [about the commentary from my left flank on this topic] anymore because I’ve had this discussion every day’”. He is addressing the chatter more than the topic in those clips, by my reading.

              It doesn’t radically change the clip(s), but I don’t think it is an accurate representation of his position. I am not saying that I personally agree with his position either. Totally fine if you want to flame him with context. I also want to point out that this clip is not evidence of him requesting donations or campaigning with him as implied by the QT, but that isn’t directly relevant to our discussion.

              It is very easy to clip hasan like this from the right or the left, so I would not weight it too heavily when you see it unless it is an unedited 30+ seconds.

              • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                6·
                5 days ago

                Oh so if Hasan was repeatedly warned and was annoyed by those who were correct, that actually makes it better? Maybe Hasan needs to stop downplaying and ignoring and mocking the concerns from his left flank, and instead just listen to them and change his position. Then he would no longer have to keep addressing it all the time.

                It’s like the Israel-Cool thing, it kept coming up for years until it was resolved because left-flank criticism kept coming and springing up. Then once they fixed the issue, it went away and never came up again. Hasan could have made Platner go away and never come up again on his stream as a tense subject by just condemning Democratic Party electoralism and wipe his hands of it entirely, but he cannot do that because he is fundamentally a clinger-on to the Democrats and Bernie-Stay-Behind-Apparatus which is a multi-million dollar political machine.

                • spectre [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  5·
                  5 days ago

                  Oh so if Hasan was repeatedly warned and was annoyed by those who were correct, that actually makes it better?

                  Nah, it seems you’ve misunderstood what I’m trying to communicate here.

        • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          10·
          5 days ago

          I’m not moralizing, i’m clowning on a guy who has bad judgment and bad analysis. I don’t care about “sins” I care about the way his mind works and the ideology he spreads. Just because he did something good via Cuba does not make his streams any less brain damaging to those watching. Even when he’s right, he’s often hedging it and giving a ton of ground up for no reason and using the most spurious and silly lib logic to get there. It’s really quite something how he manages to be corrrect incorrectly so often. It’s clear he doesn’t grasp historical materialism or marxism but just follows the Twitter radlib lines of the day (which often are right, but not always, as seen in this Platner scandal or in his Russia analysis or his never-ending Democratic Party electoralism)

          And it would be one thing if he was new to politics, everyone starts out a little confused. But he’s been around in the politics sphere for over a decade at this point, should have learned these lessons by now, and consistently ignores any criticism from his left. People were warning him about this for months but he kept doubling down on his radliberal ideology of lesser-evilism that he’s locked into. Maybe he should try actually listening to those to his left for once. He has huge blindspots that those on his left warn him about, and he mocks us instead of taking us seriously. I will do the same, in kind, to him. I will not take him seriously until he takes Marxism seriously - which means shutting up for once and doing some reading.

          • ConcreteHalloween [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            81·
            5 days ago

            I’d argue that GenZers see their fave GOATed streamer rizz up Cuba by giving them 6-7 tons of aid, that likely has more positive impact than his bad takes have a negative impact. We need them to think Fidel is fire and socialism is is on skibbity.

            • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              10·
              5 days ago

              This is the exact same logic that was used to defend AOC and Bernie when they were skibi-rizzling the kids into social fascist Liberal Zionism because “AOC has done more for socialism than you ever have!” and “she’s moving the overton window left!” was screamed at you when you applied any Marxist critique to this well worn centuries old pattern of succ dem bullshit.

              Stop using Liberal utilitarian “lesser evil” logic. It’s idealistic and fake and repeatedly is leading you to disgusting places, like defenses of Platner because of “lesser evil”. I always see it used when defending liberalism and bad ideas, that the bad ideas must be taken seriously and respected because the person pushing them has done so nebulous “praxis” and has a net positive karma score or whatever the fuck Liberal shit is going on in one’s mind palace to justify this nonsense.

              • ConcreteHalloween [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                51·
                5 days ago

                Neither Bernie or AOC sailed to Cuba with tons of aid, Hasan actually puts his money where his mouth is which to me makes up for some shitty Lib takes. If Bernie joined a flotilla to Gaza I’d start speaking kinder about him too.

                • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  5·
                  5 days ago

                  Bernie and AOC have passed bills in into law that have “a net positive impact on the working class”. Doesn’t that get them points too? This entire point system is stupid and an idealist way to see the world. Either their views are correct or they are not. No amount of charitable or “correct” actions makes their stupid incoherent and social chauvinist views correct.

              • ConcreteHalloween [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                32·
                5 days ago

                Also, hot take, while they suck, I’d argue Bernie and AOC did in fact move the overton window left. How many people here who are now posting about Lenin and nuking Tel Aviv are former Bernie Bros? I am. Even if they turned out to be let downs, a lot of the people who got hyped up by them kept going left despite them and now Israel is less popular than ever and the Democratic establishment OpEd complex is shitting their pants over socialism. We are seemingly doing better than we were in the last decade despite everything.

                • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  8·
                  5 days ago

                  Overton window is idealist and fake. You are just proving your brain works in the wrong way, and it’s likely because Hasan’s stupid streams programmed that into you. Stop using idealist utilitarian analysis. I reject everything you are saying as complete unscientific bunk. The worsening conditions of our economy lead to the growth in the anti-capitalist left, Bernie is an opportunist riding a wave. He did not create it, and he only used its energy and diverted it into the Democrat Party.

            • Blakey [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              6·
              5 days ago

              There’s no amount of positive impact that can outweigh the way he pushes voting as the be all, end all of politics. He could convince every single follower of his that Joseph Stalin was the second coming of Christ but if he also convinced them that the best way to achieve the USSA was to vote for socdems running for the democratic party, it would be pointless.

      • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        14·
        5 days ago

        I interpret that part of the meme as being a joke, but we shouldn’t be sincerely spreading false accusations and it’s not based on his status as a Good Guy or whatever, it’s because communists have the unique ability to be able to deal in the truth and be honest where liberals and fascists must lie or misdirect, so public trust is important.

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    43·
    5 days ago

    Hassan isnt even the worst of these people so many progressives and lefties were doing “not all troops, we’ll need them to win the revolution!”

    And it’s like, this mother fucker wasnt even just a troop (which would be gross on its own). He was a Blackwater thug who talked about enjoying war and he had a Nazi tattoo. This isn’t fucking rocket science

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      25·
      5 days ago

      “not all troops, we’ll need them to win the revolution”

      If they actively denounce their past actions and the military while dedicating their lives to correcting their participation in imperialism, both through action and through firm and clear words, then sure I’ll take them. If they don’t do that? They’re still imperialists, fuck em.

      Also under this reasoning there is still absolutely no need to be nice to anyone in the military or anyone formerly in the military.

  • Rey_McSriff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    40·
    5 days ago

    Can we PLEASE stop making fun of my real life friend and boyfriend, Hasan? I’m having lunch with him right now (I’m watching him eat on stream) and it’s really upsetting me

  • Diddlydee@feddit.ukEnglish
    16·
    5 days ago

    This is utter gibberish to me. I have no idea what it is about or who that guy is, and I’m going to move on and see that it stays that way.

    • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      28·
      5 days ago

      the squishy electoral left of america keeps acting like nazis and endorsing nazis, all the while punching left at actual communists and anti-imperialists and calling them “tankies” and “red fash” or “ultra”

        • InexplicableLunchFiend [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          5 days ago

          ultra-leftist. While it is a real phenomena where there are some groups which are quite dogmatic and don’t believe that any socialist project in history was up to their standard (leftcoms, some maoists and orthodox marxists), it’s also just a favorite derogatory term of social democrats, liberals and revisionists to wave away any critique from their left. With the recent awakening of consciousness regarding Palestine and the Zionist entity, it’s become a favorite phrase of “progressive Democrats” to push back against the annoying anti-zionists and anti-Democratic Party Entryists nipping at their heels. The “progressive” Democrats are LARPing being Lenin, the socialist center, and acting like those to their left are the infantile and unserious left communists. The progressive Democrats believe themselves to be far more left than they actually are, not realizing they are the leftwing of fascism not the center of a proletarian movement.

  • Damarcusart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    8·
    5 days ago

    I thought it was strange there was a post mocking Hasan and it didn’t have any comments and/or struggle sessions. Now I see, it was repost of this one. I thought I had finally gotten in on the ground floor of one of these things.