I’m not moralizing, i’m clowning on a guy who has bad judgment and bad analysis. I don’t care about “sins” I care about the way his mind works and the ideology he spreads. Just because he did something good via Cuba does not make his streams any less brain damaging to those watching. Even when he’s right, he’s often hedging it and giving a ton of ground up for no reason and using the most spurious and silly lib logic to get there. It’s really quite something how he manages to be corrrect incorrectly so often. It’s clear he doesn’t grasp historical materialism or marxism but just follows the Twitter radlib lines of the day (which often are right, but not always, as seen in this Platner scandal or in his Russia analysis or his never-ending Democratic Party electoralism)
And it would be one thing if he was new to politics, everyone starts out a little confused. But he’s been around in the politics sphere for over a decade at this point, should have learned these lessons by now, and consistently ignores any criticism from his left. People were warning him about this for months but he kept doubling down on his radliberal ideology of lesser-evilism that he’s locked into. Maybe he should try actually listening to those to his left for once. He has huge blindspots that those on his left warn him about, and he mocks us instead of taking us seriously. I will do the same, in kind, to him. I will not take him seriously until he takes Marxism seriously - which means shutting up for once and doing some reading.
I’d argue that GenZers see their fave GOATed streamer rizz up Cuba by giving them 6-7 tons of aid, that likely has more positive impact than his bad takes have a negative impact. We need them to think Fidel is fire and socialism is is on skibbity.
This is the exact same logic that was used to defend AOC and Bernie when they were skibi-rizzling the kids into social fascist Liberal Zionism because “AOC has done more for socialism than you ever have!” and “she’s moving the overton window left!” was screamed at you when you applied any Marxist critique to this well worn centuries old pattern of succ dem bullshit.
Stop using Liberal utilitarian “lesser evil” logic. It’s idealistic and fake and repeatedly is leading you to disgusting places, like defenses of Platner because of “lesser evil”. I always see it used when defending liberalism and bad ideas, that the bad ideas must be taken seriously and respected because the person pushing them has done so nebulous “praxis” and has a net positive karma score or whatever the fuck Liberal shit is going on in one’s mind palace to justify this nonsense.
Neither Bernie or AOC sailed to Cuba with tons of aid, Hasan actually puts his money where his mouth is which to me makes up for some shitty Lib takes. If Bernie joined a flotilla to Gaza I’d start speaking kinder about him too.
Bernie and AOC have passed bills in into law that have “a net positive impact on the working class”. Doesn’t that get them points too? This entire point system is stupid and an idealist way to see the world. Either their views are correct or they are not. No amount of charitable or “correct” actions makes their stupid incoherent and social chauvinist views correct.
Say Hasan sucks all you want, he does suck. I just believe in giving credit where credit is do. When Bernie does actually do something good I say it’s good.
Doing it in a thread where we are criticizing him (correctly) for his worldview leading him to supporting a Nazi mercenary social fascist accused of SA. That’s where you feel you must de-rail threads to “give credit” to Hasan and make excuses, downplay everything, and ask that we don’t spread memes mocking him. Read the room. This shit is not needed. You are repeating the exact Liberal arguments and ideas which led us here in the first place, and you are demonstrating you have learned nothing and will do it again just like Hasan. You’ve got the same brainrot that leads to these ends, the same neural pathways going to the same tired idealist lib arguments and excuses, like water flowing down a hill in the worn ruts. We’ve heard it time and time again at this point, do you think it is helpful to chime in at this moment?
I will point out the original comment was about how the dog zapping thing was bullshit, which it is.
I don’t like spreading misinfo about people, even when they suck. If someone posted some story about a bad thing Platner was alleged to have done that was already confirmed to be bullshit I would have called that out too. I’d argue that’s far more materialist than arguing that Hasan sucks so mcuh that we should have carte blanche to say anything bad about him we want even if it’s a lie.
1st comment: Please don’t mock Hasan, this is very serious we must defend him from reactionaries
2nd comment: Uhh… actually he went to Cuba so it makes up for everything bad and wrong he ever said. Stop mocking him.
3rd comment: Hasan actually is educating Gen Z and making more based lefties! It’s moving the overton window! He’s done praxis so now you cannot criticize him you ultra.
Also, hot take, while they suck, I’d argue Bernie and AOC did in fact move the overton window left. How many people here who are now posting about Lenin and nuking Tel Aviv are former Bernie Bros? I am. Even if they turned out to be let downs, a lot of the people who got hyped up by them kept going left despite them and now Israel is less popular than ever and the Democratic establishment OpEd complex is shitting their pants over socialism. We are seemingly doing better than we were in the last decade despite everything.
Overton window is idealist and fake. You are just proving your brain works in the wrong way, and it’s likely because Hasan’s stupid streams programmed that into you. Stop using idealist utilitarian analysis. I reject everything you are saying as complete unscientific bunk. The worsening conditions of our economy lead to the growth in the anti-capitalist left, Bernie is an opportunist riding a wave. He did not create it, and he only used its energy and diverted it into the Democrat Party.
Also can you stop editing your posts to add more angry ranting, makes it hard to reply to you. If you decide you want to yell at me more just make a separate comment.
You keep completely ignoring my points about your idealist worldview. It’s fake. There’s no such thing as overton window. There’s no such thing as lesser evil. These are fake Liberal things that you accept as real and that shape your imagination of what is possible, and how the world works, and what strategies you should employ to change it. I please beg of you to read Marx.
I haven’t used the term lesser evil here at all, I don’t actually believe in the “overton window” I was most just using it as shorthand for the idea that some of the people who got hyped for Bernie moved on to actual socialism.
Are you like a 16 year old ultra who stumbled in here from some ultra lemmy comm? You sure do post like one. Maybe like calm down and stop going ham on comrades over a fucking streamer they don’t even like themselves?
I don’t actually believe in the “overton window” I was most just using it as shorthand for the idea that some of the people who got hyped for Bernie moved on to actual socialism.
This is idealism i.e. by being exposed to Bernie’s ideas some people were able to move on to socialist ideas
That isn’t what happened. Bernie is an effect, not a cause. Bernie’s popularity came from the worsening material conditions, he didn’t just hype people with his good ideas and conjure his own popularity up from nothing. Material conditions are now even worse, so now people are moving on to actual socialism. If the so-called “”“overton window”“” can be said to exist at all then it is moved by the underlying material conditions, not by ideas.
There’s no amount of positive impact that can outweigh the way he pushes voting as the be all, end all of politics. He could convince every single follower of his that Joseph Stalin was the second coming of Christ but if he also convinced them that the best way to achieve the USSA was to vote for socdems running for the democratic party, it would be pointless.
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I’m not moralizing, i’m clowning on a guy who has bad judgment and bad analysis. I don’t care about “sins” I care about the way his mind works and the ideology he spreads. Just because he did something good via Cuba does not make his streams any less brain damaging to those watching. Even when he’s right, he’s often hedging it and giving a ton of ground up for no reason and using the most spurious and silly lib logic to get there. It’s really quite something how he manages to be corrrect incorrectly so often. It’s clear he doesn’t grasp historical materialism or marxism but just follows the Twitter radlib lines of the day (which often are right, but not always, as seen in this Platner scandal or in his Russia analysis or his never-ending Democratic Party electoralism)
And it would be one thing if he was new to politics, everyone starts out a little confused. But he’s been around in the politics sphere for over a decade at this point, should have learned these lessons by now, and consistently ignores any criticism from his left. People were warning him about this for months but he kept doubling down on his radliberal ideology of lesser-evilism that he’s locked into. Maybe he should try actually listening to those to his left for once. He has huge blindspots that those on his left warn him about, and he mocks us instead of taking us seriously. I will do the same, in kind, to him. I will not take him seriously until he takes Marxism seriously - which means shutting up for once and doing some reading.
I’d argue that GenZers see their fave GOATed streamer rizz up Cuba by giving them 6-7 tons of aid, that likely has more positive impact than his bad takes have a negative impact. We need them to think Fidel is fire and socialism is is on skibbity.
This is the exact same logic that was used to defend AOC and Bernie when they were skibi-rizzling the kids into social fascist Liberal Zionism because “AOC has done more for socialism than you ever have!” and “she’s moving the overton window left!” was screamed at you when you applied any Marxist critique to this well worn centuries old pattern of succ dem bullshit.
Stop using Liberal utilitarian “lesser evil” logic. It’s idealistic and fake and repeatedly is leading you to disgusting places, like defenses of Platner because of “lesser evil”. I always see it used when defending liberalism and bad ideas, that the bad ideas must be taken seriously and respected because the person pushing them has done so nebulous “praxis” and has a net positive karma score or whatever the fuck Liberal shit is going on in one’s mind palace to justify this nonsense.
Neither Bernie or AOC sailed to Cuba with tons of aid, Hasan actually puts his money where his mouth is which to me makes up for some shitty Lib takes. If Bernie joined a flotilla to Gaza I’d start speaking kinder about him too.
Bernie and AOC have passed bills in into law that have “a net positive impact on the working class”. Doesn’t that get them points too? This entire point system is stupid and an idealist way to see the world. Either their views are correct or they are not. No amount of charitable or “correct” actions makes their stupid incoherent and social chauvinist views correct.
Say Hasan sucks all you want, he does suck. I just believe in giving credit where credit is do. When Bernie does actually do something good I say it’s good.
Doing it in a thread where we are criticizing him (correctly) for his worldview leading him to supporting a Nazi mercenary social fascist accused of SA. That’s where you feel you must de-rail threads to “give credit” to Hasan and make excuses, downplay everything, and ask that we don’t spread memes mocking him. Read the room. This shit is not needed. You are repeating the exact Liberal arguments and ideas which led us here in the first place, and you are demonstrating you have learned nothing and will do it again just like Hasan. You’ve got the same brainrot that leads to these ends, the same neural pathways going to the same tired idealist lib arguments and excuses, like water flowing down a hill in the worn ruts. We’ve heard it time and time again at this point, do you think it is helpful to chime in at this moment?
I will point out the original comment was about how the dog zapping thing was bullshit, which it is.
I don’t like spreading misinfo about people, even when they suck. If someone posted some story about a bad thing Platner was alleged to have done that was already confirmed to be bullshit I would have called that out too. I’d argue that’s far more materialist than arguing that Hasan sucks so mcuh that we should have carte blanche to say anything bad about him we want even if it’s a lie.
1st comment: Please don’t mock Hasan, this is very serious we must defend him from reactionaries
2nd comment: Uhh… actually he went to Cuba so it makes up for everything bad and wrong he ever said. Stop mocking him.
3rd comment: Hasan actually is educating Gen Z and making more based lefties! It’s moving the overton window! He’s done praxis so now you cannot criticize him you ultra.
You’re 0 for 3
Also, hot take, while they suck, I’d argue Bernie and AOC did in fact move the overton window left. How many people here who are now posting about Lenin and nuking Tel Aviv are former Bernie Bros? I am. Even if they turned out to be let downs, a lot of the people who got hyped up by them kept going left despite them and now Israel is less popular than ever and the Democratic establishment OpEd complex is shitting their pants over socialism. We are seemingly doing better than we were in the last decade despite everything.
Overton window is idealist and fake. You are just proving your brain works in the wrong way, and it’s likely because Hasan’s stupid streams programmed that into you. Stop using idealist utilitarian analysis. I reject everything you are saying as complete unscientific bunk. The worsening conditions of our economy lead to the growth in the anti-capitalist left, Bernie is an opportunist riding a wave. He did not create it, and he only used its energy and diverted it into the Democrat Party.
Also can you stop editing your posts to add more angry ranting, makes it hard to reply to you. If you decide you want to yell at me more just make a separate comment.
Materialist analysis = angry ranting
is that the strategy your brain employs to not engage with materialist thought and remain in idealist great man purgatory? it’s all just rants?
Yes you are just angrily ranting at this point.
I’ve literally never watched a Hasan stream in my life.
Frankly you seem to know way more about the guy than me, having a hate boner over him is probably as big of a waste of time as a regular boner.
You keep completely ignoring my points about your idealist worldview. It’s fake. There’s no such thing as overton window. There’s no such thing as lesser evil. These are fake Liberal things that you accept as real and that shape your imagination of what is possible, and how the world works, and what strategies you should employ to change it. I please beg of you to read Marx.
I haven’t used the term lesser evil here at all, I don’t actually believe in the “overton window” I was most just using it as shorthand for the idea that some of the people who got hyped for Bernie moved on to actual socialism.
Are you like a 16 year old ultra who stumbled in here from some ultra lemmy comm? You sure do post like one. Maybe like calm down and stop going ham on comrades over a fucking streamer they don’t even like themselves?
This is idealism i.e. by being exposed to Bernie’s ideas some people were able to move on to socialist ideas
That isn’t what happened. Bernie is an effect, not a cause. Bernie’s popularity came from the worsening material conditions, he didn’t just hype people with his good ideas and conjure his own popularity up from nothing. Material conditions are now even worse, so now people are moving on to actual socialism. If the so-called “”“overton window”“” can be said to exist at all then it is moved by the underlying material conditions, not by ideas.
“ultra”
there it is. Was waiting for it. Idealists and electoralists can’t wait to spring it on anyone who has a materialist worldview.
There’s no amount of positive impact that can outweigh the way he pushes voting as the be all, end all of politics. He could convince every single follower of his that Joseph Stalin was the second coming of Christ but if he also convinced them that the best way to achieve the USSA was to vote for socdems running for the democratic party, it would be pointless.