like I’m not even saying the texts inherently must be fabricated, I just have to critique this sentiment on principle
are we pretending that “Trans-Loving Terrorist Radicalized Into Killing Patriot By Exposure To ‘Transgender Ideology’ Despite Wishes Of Family And Friends And Even Their Deviant Lover” is not a useful narrative for the state to push if it wanted to further marginalize trans people and had the foresight to read as slightly more plausible than “Evil Scheming Transgender Brainwashes Young Man Into Violence For Deviant Trans Purposes.”
are we pretending that the prerogative of the feds on the outset wasn’t ‘how can we tie this back to transgender’
For a terminally online 22 year old he sure does text a lot like a 60 year old federal agent
that’s just how mormons are
also autistic people raised religious conservative in general, let alone utah mormon. and academically successful. there are absolutely people i know that would use language like this.
I’m autistic and I texted like this until I studied how other people did it
doesnt really seem to type like this in his discord messages tho
Do you think you’d text like that right after you shot someone and were in the middle of trying to retrieve your murder weapon?
I’ve never been in that situation. Maybe as a defense mechanism
I mean, have you ever changed the way you type when feeling stressed out, panicked or excited or anything like that? As in using shorthand, being vague or unexplanatory? Idk a lot of people are saying that the messages seem legit if he is autistic or Mormon, which is interesting. But Idk if that would take the very specific crisis circumstance into account even if he is those things
The messages look so stilted. The way they talk is off in a way I can’t put my finger on.
What’s the format this conversation is supposed to have taken place over? Is this face-to-face or over text?
text, here’s the source document (p. 8)
The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to take it.” Police found a photograph of this note.
“To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.”
The fuck?
keeping a note under my keyboard in an attempt to secretly communicate my intentions to my partner and then immediately folding when asked one question and meticulously giving a written record of everything the state needs to prove my guilt in a chat log while I am vacating the scene
keeping a note under my keyboard in an attempt to secretly communicate my intentions to my partner and then immediately folding when asked one question and meticulously giving a written record of everything the state needs to prove my guilt in a chat log while I am vacating the scene
That’s probably a zoomer thing. They have all kinds of memes like this.
it’s like eternal september all over again
I think there’s parts of it that’s been redacted. The ellipses are in weird places, often right after a period. So being broken up makes it read awkwardly. Plus, we are talking about a Mormon cracker, their texting is likely to be as stiff and robotic as their speech is.
Oh he’s a Mormon, now it makes sense
Even so, it’s still kind of sus because this still reads oddly
Mormons write like they’re terrified God will smite them if they cuss, even when they’re trying to be edgy
Mormons don’t want to be danged to heck
Which is funny because they don’t really believe in Hell, at least not in the traditional Christian way
Hell for them is more like Heaven’s waiting room and you only really go there if you’re not Mormon
They absolutely believe in hell. Throwing someone in magic prison for 1000 years is hell. The Telestial kingdom is just renamed hell.
If I’m remembering right, you get different interpretations of what 3rd rate heaven is supposed to be like from different people. It’s pretty wiggly.
Actual Mormon hell is called Outer Darkness, and reserved for Satan and anyone who was baptized but leaves the church at some point.
I mean, some of it reads to me like “tip of the ol’ hat to you, kind Reddit stranger”.
I am not even sure how many layers of irony Liv is on, but I’m pretty sure it’s more than me, and I am in intensive care for chronic irony poisoning.
She followed it up with “I’m not ironic at all this needs to be the message”. I’m too autistic to figure out if this is doubling down on the irony or actually sincere.
If that isn’t a bit it’s the lamest, wettest take I’ve seen in a while God damn
They are torturing the shooter to get him to say this is all true as we speak.
Lib-left podcasters : “umm ACAB i hate cops BUT the state guys cant fake this cuz lying is illegal”
Hitlermagaacolytecatturrd: “sounds like a script”
https://xcancel.com/Liv_Agar/status/1967328152327496133#m I think Liv Agar might just like cops.
I’m sure Kapos were worried about “the messaging” while throwing other jews under the bus. Wtf.
I am absolutely in agreement hat trying to be the “Good one” is a failing strategy. But I just wish to make it clear that we shouldn’t apply the Kapo label or comparison to this woman at the moment (I am not saying you are, i am just heading it off at the pass). As far as I can tell she is a victim in all of this, made the focal point of a genocidal campaign targeting people like her against her will based on actions she seemingly did not agree with. The one saying something dumb here is Liv Agar.
I was referring to Liv Agar as the kapo in my post. Now, thinking about it, the kapo comparison was tasteless in many ways, though. Thanks for drawing attention to one of them. I’ll leave my post up, but I want to make clear that I am not blaming Robinson’s girlfriend for doing the best she can in the situation she is. I will still criticize Agar and Co. for suggesting trans women be “model citizens” and throw everyone else under the bus in the name of ‘the message’ as a valid strategy to save themselves. It reeks of opportunism.
everyone’s trying to do textual analysis on the tone and language used in these messages, but to me it does just sound like an overly formal autistic Utah Mormon who has idiosyncratic speech patterns. i’m not saying that means they’re authentic, but people acting like a 45 year old federal agent is any more likely to cook up “my love” and “my old man…my old man” is not familiar with the illiteracy of people in general. normies of no age younger than like 70 would use these phrases, and even then, they wouldn’t be common.
that said, man, fucking no one believes that this is legitimate. on the one hand you have even lib-left people doing amateur textual analysis, and on the other hand you have even the likes of matt walsh proposing that it’s illegitimate to protect the roommate.
Really shows that political spectacle has replaced television/mass media. Everyone’s dissecting this like it’s The weekly tv show and we’re standing around a watercooler
that’s a good observation. it’s the last thing that everyone is still obliged to pay attention to at least a little.
At this point, it’s pure spectacle as the other school shooting gets swept under the rug or we have to pretend the totally-not-a-lynching lynching in Mississippi is not a lynching or gestures broadly at the rotting elephant carcass covered in maggots and flies the genocide in Gaza.
yeah the more convincing claim is that it doesnt look like how he typed in his discord messages at all tbh, would be very weird for someone to be more formal and using capital letters while texting vs on the keyboard. also, if these texts were faked by the feds, i guarantee they used an LLM for it, not a 45 year old agent, the trump admin is constantly using them even to fucking make policy like with the tariffs lmao
it doesnt look like how he typed in his discord messages at all tbh, would be very weird for someone to be more formal and using capital letters while texting vs on the keyboard.
i do that. different formal registers for different media isn’t particularly unlikely. for example, when i type hexbear comments on my phone, i don’t bother to undo it’s automatic capitalization that i generally stylistically forego when typing comments on a physical keyboard.
definitely an LLM if they faked it though, agreed. ain’t no way they actually paid a fed to sit there and come up with something.
tbc i dont actually think these are faked im not 100% consistent in how i type either and analyzing someone’s typing is always going to be more of vibe based analysis anyways, but it’s an actual possibly weird inconsistency vs a white nerd from mormonsville to have weird quirks in their vocab
fair enough, it’s definitely a better argument than the vibes-based ones. i personally think it’s awfully convenient that the messages just fill every hole in the investigation, and i’m inclined to think the messages are legitimate.
“my love” and “my old man” are both phrases I’ve heard used by multiple coworkers or acquaintances in the last week.
Once again repeating my point that it’s weird people talk about these major court cases as if the prosecution is 100% correct. I sure hope no one on Hexbear dot net sits on the jury of a significant case involving the state lmao
sorry sweaty that’s witness tampering
don’t interrogate your partner about their crimes in writing online please. If somebody you know or love tries to start to admit to doing something, get them to shut up immediately and talk to you in person. Or better yet, shut up forever and never mention it to anyone.
Walter White it
It seems pretty contrived and too perfect, like it was made with a check list of all the important points necessary to charge him. Live updates about trying to get the rifle etc even though roomie isn’t freaking out or telling him to be safe. Maybe he was yapping so much because he was under extreme stress and unexpectedly shocked by what he had just done so he was reaching out or something but that doesn’t make the roommate’s responses less abnormal in this situation.
This could be some kind of secret compromise with him, he gets life instead of the death penalty and they promise to leave Lance alone in exchange for him not revealing he was a groyper shitposter who simply kept that separate from his more normie gamer friends. Play up some pro-trans sentiment because manufacturing a connection to antifa where there was none could fuck everything up. They could and would do shit like this to prevent an absolute meltdown between the far right factions which is kinda already happening.
Or also very likely Tyler was basically lost, clueless, good boy character from republican family with default settings, lived in a conservative bubble all his life, ended up getting realitypilled due to a relationship and suddenly realized that some people are really also people with feelings etc and some agitators are actually dangerous extremists and fascists so he pulled an incredibly naive but principled John Brown. He’s more like the only sane and responsible gun owner of America in this version and everyone else is just desensitized as fuck to polite extermination rhetoric and enacted legislation making it happen. This is almost a standard profile of lone wolf political assassins of conscience but people love conspiracy shit too much to remember Leon Czolgosz etc.
Then again transphobia wasn’t Charlie Kirk’s primary grift and I’m not aware of him pushing that lately, Matt Walsh is the head transphobe so this version doesn’t fully fit either. Both versions could likely be total copium and the whole thing probably seems strange because everyone is completely alienated and can’t imagine violent, self destructive but altruistic acts without reading a ton of theory first or being a rabid neonazi. Maybe it’s an answer to the question “what would you do if you were in Nazi Germany in 1933” by someone who wasn’t political enough to seek organized action and wait for the conditions to be right first and all the usual crap that paralyze the left.
Then again transphobia wasn’t Charlie Kirk’s primary grift and I’m not aware of him pushing that lately
He was lying about trans shooters literally the moment he got shot though
Yeah but i doubt the shooter was aware of that. And i think he was going into racist dogwhistles when that bullet from heaven silenced him
It was a big part of his repertoire but I wouldn’t single him out as the most rabid or effective transphobe. Unless I’m missing something I don’t think he’d stand out compared to Crowder or Jordan Peterson on this specific subject. Walsh and JKR managed to make everyone else look lukewarm and I don’t specifically remember Kirk getting mentioned much as an exceptional shithead in trans circles. Could be opportunistic though as one of many who simply happened to be within reach even though he wasn’t the most rabid one.
Yeah he wasn’t the biggest transphobe, I feel like his main thing was normalizing white supremacy, and transphobia is a tool in the white supremacy toolkit. He did get the “blame trans people for mass shootings” memo though, and was following it dutifully.
It does feel opportunistic to me too, like Matthew Crooks the shooter lived relatively nearby so he probably went for the first ghoul to wander into range. Either way he took the trash out so critical support to g*mers who fire guns at horrible people.
I think you gotta call it an act of God at a certain point.
like it was made with a check list of all the important points necessary to charge him.
Of course, it’s a curated list of specific texts that support the prosecution’s case. That’s why there are omissions in the chat log. They’re not submitting all of his texts, just the ones they think are most relevant to the case. The defense will have to get access to the full logs and submit counter points.
I thought it could be edited and put together as a dialogue but that would be misleading nonetheless, it’s not presented as quotes. And it’s suspicious that the roommate isn’t more prominent in there but mostly absent even though they apparently knew right from the beginning. Destroying that note would normally get a charge for being an accessory after the fact and they’re bloodthirsty for trans involvement but that’s not happening for some reason. Which would imply a deal.
I’ll be pretty agnostic until Tyler starts singing in court, this isn’t clear at all.
The only evidence that the person is a “chaser” is that they have a trans girlfriend. Are we to draw the conclusion that any person in a relationship with a trans woman is by default a chaser? Because that’s literally just saying transphobes/terfs are right.
Assuming the narrative being presented is true, I’m personally fairly comfortable calling this guy a chaser as a trans woman myself.
Doing this shit for these reasons is a clear and obvious demonstration of a lack of any consideration for his girlfriend’s actual happiness and desires, under this narrative he clearly seems far more concerned about the concept/object of her than the actual material reality of her - otherwise he wouldn’t’ve gotten her involved in all this highly dangerous bullshit.
Again, assuming these texts and all are real, this feels gross and objectifying to me in the same way people trying to kill people to impress/gain the approval of celebrities is gross and objectifying, just with a different context.
Are the men who engage in acts of violence without caring for the feelings of their cis girlfriends chasers too? Were the people who you specifically mention, the people who engage in public acts of violence to win the approval of a celebrity chasers? If the motivations here are similar and the acts are similar, it is unnecessary to make the further assumption that its a murder based on the fetishisation of trans women based sinply on the partner in question being trans. Especially when such is the direct rhetoric employed by fascists gearing up for a crackdown on trans people.
I am specifically calling out the intense objectification required to do something like this, which does occasionally end up directed towards cis women, yes, not that it is equivalent to a chaser relationship as the power dynamic there is quite different.
The fascists are unfortunately going to accelerate the crackdown regardless because of this adventurist moron. Me calling it how I see it privately to my friends and on an obscure, irrelevant internet communist forum isn’t going to move the needle on that anyway.
Again, the only difference here is that the person the violence is dedicated to is trans. You are looking at a situation and assuming based solely on the girlfriend being trans that it must be a chaser motivated by his fetishisation of trans women to kill and you are doing so in the middle of the right trying to create a narrative of exactly that. You are doing so in spite of people also presenting evidence the relationship began pre transition.
I can’t stop you from saying whatever you want, you can theorise that he did it because he’s a herald of galactus, but I am not going to accept the twin narratives of trans induced killer violence used to justify transphobia and the idea that the only possible motivation to be in a relationship with a trans person is to be a chaser.
Do remember I repeatedly said ‘assuming the narrative being presented is true’. I don’t really have the skepticism about the reality of these texts everyone else seems to - personally the way he texts in this document seems perfectly normal, I know a bunch of people who text like that including myself - but I’m not entirely uncritically accepting the government narrative here.
Probably 95% of cis men who get into relationships with trans women are chasers, bluntly, it’s far more likely than not when it comes to men seeking trans women. I haven’t seen that evidence suggesting the relationship started before transition, though, that would definitely suggest I am more likely to be incorrect.
Whether the texts are true or not does not mean we have to accept the narrative of trans induced murder based simply on the existence of a trans person in the story. I have no problem accepting the texts as being true, it literally changes nothing. So far we have a guy who dedicated a murder to his girlfriend, maybe, an FBI who is flailing trying to connect this to the existence of trans people, and people accepting that not merely what facts presented by the FBI are true but tbat the narrative they wish to portray is also accurate. The right wants this to be about the existence of trans people, and i see no need to accept that narrative. Especially not when in the process we must make the assumption that all boyfriends of trans girls are chasers inherently because no other reason for a relationship could exist. And you can believe that if you want, but I personally think we need to leave that shit on /tttt/.
I’ve never stepped on /tttt/ in my life, dipshit. My opinion on cis men in relationships with trans women is entirely based on my own experience and those of every single trans woman I have ever fucking met.
Don’t talk down to me like I don’t know the experiences of myself and my sisters, he/fucking/him. What I’m saying wouldn’t seem so incomprehensible to you if actually had any understanding of what life is like for trans women under this dogshit patriarchy.
Yeah like, I mostly buy the narrative/haven’t seen evidence for any of the conspiracy theories going around, but this particular document is so fucking sus, and the lack of timestamps or anything else to go on to corroborate or add context, means there’s really no way of knowing atm if its real, and the feds absolutely have obvious motive and ability to fabricate this.
unfortunately not thaaat rare livagar L
the lack of timestamps
Imagine if this whole exchange is from some elaborate roleplay from 2023.
ChatGPT-ass transcript. Reads nothing like his discord messages but could still be real, I guess.
Sure seems awfully convenient for it to match the narrative they were trying to build since before they had any real evidence.
“my love” is he Briiish?
the roommate sounds more ‘normal’, like how people speak on texts. Robinson however has perfect capitalization, good grammar. i almost suspect LLM but idk, doesn’t sound zoomer talk, but again, he is a nerd.
maybe the last message sounds a bit more normal but rest are really sus.
Capitalisation happens automatically if he’s on mobile tho
I have some friends who call each other that. It’s a little different, but not as weird as people calling their romantic partner “babe.”
the roommate sounds more ‘normal’, like how people speak on texts.
Idk i think “how long have you been planning this” is a weird question only a cop would ask
Lib Agar
