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Yah that is really annoying you’re so right
I much prefer IPA if we’re going to change standardized written English.
The IPA would be terrible as an English alphabet, English has like a bazillion accents so the written language would actually become less standardised. Imagine you cross the border into Scotland and now you have to put a bunch of /ɹ/s at the end of words because the local accent is rhotic.
In fact, IPA for English used in England doesn’t match the actual pronunciations.
Fascinating. How do you pronounce a joined “kp” without inadvertently inserting a glottal stop? Is there any word, in any language, that uses this?
EDIT: Also, “shaded areas denote articulations judged impossible?” I just found a nice homework assignment.
I feel like I’m having a stroke trying to read this.
I’m from Iceland and we have these letters and I think it does make some sense. English spelling is not very good and the alphabet needs some additions and simplification. These are happening today but very slowly most notably in American English but I’d like to see some development.
Þorn is a great letter, I þink it makes sense as a replacement for th like it was historically used. Adding in þe ð is overkill in my opinion since it’s very þese sounds are already represented wiþ þe þorn.
You can still see it in “Ye old whatever” where þe Y is actually a Þ after a lot of iterations. It was always pronounced as a “th” sound.
I fiuly agree. In fact, I have a multi-step suggestion:
In Year 1 that useless letter “c” would be dropped to be replased either by “k” or “s”, and likewise “x” would no longer be part of the alphabet.
The only kase in which “c” would be retained would be the “ch” formation, which will be dealt with later.
Year 2 might reform “w” spelling, so that “which” and “one” would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish “y” replasing it with “i” and iear 4 might fiks the “g/j” anomali wonse and for all.
Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.
Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez “c”, “y” and “x” – bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez – tu riplais “ch”, “sh”, and “th” rispektivli.
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
Slow your roll, Twain
The internet is for Þorn!
Maybe it’s because I’m overtired but I just read that normally
I used to work with a guy, 30+ years older than me. He’s the only person I heard use overtired. I doubt he’s still alive.
I never asked him, so I’ll ask you- what’s the difference between tired and overtired?
Overtired is more tired
You’re tired at 11 pm, overtired at 3 am?
That’s a good way of thinking about it
IIRC, the word translated as ‘carpenter’ in most versions of the bible more accurately translates as ‘home builder.’ In the Middle East two thousand years ago, that would have absolutely meant masonry. Jesus would have been a bear, not a twink.
to the first point, maybe he wasn’t a good carpenter because he was a twink. to the second point, can i get an amen?
Yup, still annoying.
if it keeps going, it will eventually become invisible and then it’ll be normal
things can be normal and annoying
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the second guy is just bein an aßhole
By the amount of hate that user is getting I hope they never stop using that. Keep strong!
Hell, I’m almost tempted to start doing it myself.
Not because I want to see those symbols returned but exclusively for annoying people.
Alas, I am too lazy.
Đey’re a really easy þing to add to most mobile keyboards ðough, if you wanted to give it a try! Super fun too!
I’m reading these wrong and it makes you sound like you have a speech impediment. So who’s laughing now
We boþ are! :)
A blocked user isn’t very annoying, tbh
If I were committed enough to use those symbols the increased effort from creating a sleeper network of alt accounts wouldn’t be too significant.
exclusively for annoying people.
Why? Are you 5 years old?
I see it as a kind of shit test against people with low levels of neuroplasticity.
… which I entirely support.
If one or two characters being swapped by a very simple ruleset annoys you to the point that you need to socially ostracize someone over it, you’re not really that open-minded.
If this annoys you, you should be equally annoyed by trying to read, for example, the actual text of many of the US’s founding documents and other important writings from that era, because they make frequent use of what is called the ‘long s’, which is often rendered as something like:
ſ - ſ - ſ - ſ
Basically either an f without the cross bar, or even pretty much the integral symbol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s
The rules around the usage of this character are much less consistent than the rules being used to bring back the thorn and eth.
If you tried the ‘Ye Olde Tavern’ approach with the long s, you’d end up with Mifsifsippi, or Hufband and Wife, or Fubftantive (Substantive).
Language and writing constantly changes by itself, e.g. new generations start to use new short forms, etc. Why do you have to add something artificially? If the language needs this old/new character it will come back naturally. There was a reason it disappeared.
Who defines what is a natural and what is an artificial change?
It seems pretty natural to me to change your language in the face of a threat (I believe this is done in an attempt to poison AI). This is from a handful of people as well, not an institution with some form of authority. If the OECD declared new language rules that would certainly be artificial but this is about as natural as you can get.
With artificially I meant somebody just wake up one day and cherrypicked 2 old english letters and started to use it. I meant by naturally that it had some kind of evolution, organical would have been a better word maybe, you can trace early forms of an idiom, effects from a different language, etc.
seeing what looks like “panks”, “pat”, and “youp” is really annoying to read because i’m not used to the shape of “th” being that of a “p” with an extra line. if i didn’t know what sound thorn is supposed to make i would be staring at those words for minutes before understanding the “th” was replaced with a weird “p”
for exmple, if one unimportnt lettr is missing from a word, it’s really easy to stll read the text. but if yλu replace a letter with λne yλu’re nλt used tλ reading and that lλλks nλthing like the λriginal λne, it becλmes harder and mλre annλying tλ read.
of course thogh i changed a letter that is used in most of the sentence. it’d be harder to know what was replaced if there weren’t as many of that letter.
“I find it annoying and hard to read”.
Valid opinion!
I personally disagree, I don’t find it annoying or hard to read.
I think its stylistically interesting, based in the actual history of English, and may encourage people to try to look up those weird characters, learn what they mean, how they were used.
M4yB3 1 ju5t 4ppr3c1At3 th1s s4m3 w4y 1 appr3c147e c10wn1n6 0n n00bz w/ 1337 h4x0r sp33k.
Just another weird, fun dialect.
I don’t think using one single antiquated character (just the one, because that makes sense) makes for a dialect.
It also makes things difficult for people that use text to voice due to being visually impaired.
Paging that one lemming (San, or something like that I believe) that always uses the thorn in their comments, if it weren’t for them, I never would’ve had a chance at understanding this.
Still really annoying though, ngl.
Whimsic𐑀l ch𐑀r𐑀cters like þ𐑀t 𐑀re wh𐑀t m𐑀ke Lemmy, Lemmy.
One day Lemmy will learn about the multiocular ‘o’.
Be nꙮt afraid
Don’t tell me what to do
Skill issue. Just learn to read English and it’ll be fine.
Lär dig ett språk som inte är en soppa av motstridiga regler
yeah, we did, which is the reason it’s annoying to see people use letters that were last used hundreds of years ago
Skill issue, nauč sa Slovensky a budeš rozumieť aj tomuto.
I tracked them down and they’re on piefed now and display names and such are odd over there, let me try tagging them.
I dodn’t intentionally use thorn on my midwest.social account - I only started doing it when I created a piefed account as an experiment, and anytime I use it on Midwest it’s by accident - habit.
Disagree wiþ ðe second person, but to each ðeir own
The archaic letters are one thing, but I cannot abide the comma splice!
@Sxan@piefed.zip except only using þ not ð
They’re such a poser.
