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Cake day: June 14th, 2023

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  • …I think I understand the source of the confusion here.

    You think 8-12-16oz is the standard in coffee shops worldwide, because to you, “coffee” means “latte”, and “coffee shop” means “place that sells latte in plastic to-go cups”, whereas the standard unit of coffee in Europe is a café espresso, which is a 30ml shot of pure coffee served in a 50-100ml white china demitasse.


  • They are typically 225, 336, 460, and sometimes 570 ml

    You mean “They are typically 225, 336, 460, and sometimes 570 ml.[1]^”? I agree, it is dubious - it’s like someone assumed the whole world makes coffee in 8, 12, and 16oz. Also, they’re just below the “cup holding 50−100 ml” for espresso and “cup holding approximately 160 ml” for cappuccino.


    1. dubious – discuss ↩︎


  • …But that’s cup size, not coffee size. And even then, an espresso cup is something like 80ml (illy US specifies 3oz), which makes sense if a lungo is 60ml. A metric cup is legally defined as 240, not because cups made in Europe are 250ml, but because the US customary unit of “cup” translates to about 240ml of volume. Actyal, physical metric cups are generally 80-150ml. A 240ml “cup” is more of a mug than a cup, really, and even mugs are usually .3l or so.

    And I don’t think I’ve ever, in my life, gotten served a half-liter of anything non-bottled, other than beer or maybe soup.