Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting ‘Liberal’ Teachings of Jesus
“Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching’turn the other cheek’[and] to have someone come up after to say, ‘Where did you get those liberal talking points?’” Moore said.
“When the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ’ … The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,” he added. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
And people dont understand why I say the orange clown is an Antichrist and may be the Antichrist.
The doomed by a perfect circle is very disturbing accurate.
Came here to share the same article.
It’s truly uncanny
I reckon it has a lot to do with personality traits of evil people
Yeah, while there are a few odd specifics that line up, most of the predictions are just describing the personality traits of a tyrant.
If someone asked me what Trump sounded like I would never think about a lion. His voice is nasally and weak. That part reminded me a lot more of Hitler yelling into a microphone
That’s also how I interpret the traits.
It’s common warning signs but using colorful language.
Ehh, isn’t the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person, in charisma and looks? A lot of people either hate him or are entirely indifferent and the reasons don’t seem to be religiously motivated.
I just settle with him being a douchebag.
Don’t forgot about how all his weird followers depict him in their fan art though…. They seem to at least perceive him as exactly that.
isn’t the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person
Premillennial dispensationalism/rapture theology is a group creative writing exercise with little relevance to the text. The prophecies in Daniel refer to the Greek king Antiochus, which is clear when one reads chapters and not verses (unfortunately uncommon in your typical Protestant church…) Revelation is referring to emperor Nero.
Really, it’s more that folks like Hal Lindsey popularized the concept by traumatizing children in church basements that’s given it the culture cachet.
This is still what baffles me. We aren’t losing our country to a charismatic, two faced mastermind. We’re losing our country to a fucking obvious loser. He’s literally so bad it’s hard to parody him since even the parodies are tame in comparison to what he actually does. It’s ridiculous
Prosperity gospel has been shitting on the red text of Christ for decades now.
Jesus hated wealth inequality. The only group he said would never enter heaven were the wealthy (“easier to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven”, in other words, it isn’t possible for the rich to enter heaven). Jesus also violently flipped tables and whipped the wealthy to drive them out of temples.
So conservative “Christians” abandoned the teachings of Christ many decades ago.
Not just the wealthy, but people who were using the temple as a place of business (and likely ripping people off on interest)
The actual story of the money changers is worse than most people know.
See, as part of their religious observance, the ancient Hebrews made a pilgrimage to the Temple. This was a mandatory part of their faith, much like the Hajj is for modern Muslims.
Those who were too poor to bring their own sacrifice could buy one at the Temple, but the Temple didn’t take the coin of the realm (the Roman coins), they only accepted Shekels.
So, the Money Changers. They set up in the Temple itself and were fleecing pilgrims of all their money.
In comes Jesus, who flipped tables and broke out the whip, and less than a week later he was crucified.
And this is the only part of the bible that I believe is 100% historically accurate. A peace loving Rabbi threw a fit over the Money Changers and was crucified for it.
I had understood it to be even worse:
The sacrifices at the temple were expected to be pretty much perfect, and had to be found acceptable by the temple priests. So the merchants would get “pre-blessed” sacrifices that they would sell at exorbitant prices to the pilgrims, who would have the sacrifices they brought deemed “inadequate” by the priests.
So if you brought an animal sacrifice, you’d still have to buy another (costly) animal. If you brought money, you’d be forced to exchange it at a significant loss.
The whole thing was an obvious scam, and Jesus was killed over it (and the rest of his message). I don’t believe he was God Incarnate, but I’m still a big fan of Jesus the man.
I’m pretty confident that all would have gone about the same way in this era.
Visions of religious leaders sitting in golden chairs and crying out for donations…
How did we get here? It’s not a mystery, it’s a cautionary tale.
Technically the Bible had been changing since Jesus’s death
The gospels were probably not written until many decades after his death.
Yeah - stuff we consider the canon was essentially wrapped up by about 100 CE.
The gospels were likely individuals taking other written material that was circulating around the time, and making their own little compilation based on the theological points that they wanted to make.
It’s really clear when you read the gospels and know the order. Mark was probably first, Matthew and Luke pull heavily from Mark and share something from something we call “Q” and maybe a “saying source.” Then John was written last.
It’s really clear when you look at the differences between the scene where they go to get Jesus’s body. In Mark - it’s just a guy who tells them Jesus isn’t there. Matthew has an earthquake and an Angel, Luke has two angels, John has Jesus himself say hi. John is where you get the most “divine” Jesus - because it really does seem that at first Jesus was understood as a mortal man speaking for God, but later influences from Greek philosophy and thoughts about “spirit” slowly turned Jesus into God.
Jesus didn’t talk about wealth inequality in that way, as far as wealth being bad. His point was that the wealthy tend to think they have it all and are in need of nothing. Mostly that the richer you are, the more you love money than God.
He wasn’t just flipping tables and whipping wealthy people. They were at the temple making money off of selling animals to sacrifice for sins. They had made a business of selling indulgences basically, that was the issue.
And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Mark 10:17-22
Perfect example.
- The rich man loved his wealth more.
- “And Jesus, looking at him, loved him…” He didn’t whip him and tell him to leave, he loved him.
And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” And they were exceedingly astonished, and said to him, “Then who can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God.” Peter began to say to him, “See, we have left everything and followed you.” Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”
Mark 10:23-31
Historical Jesus was not on team money and power I don’t think.
Great wealth corrupts people. Jesus did say that even rich people can be saved though. But only with the power of God.
Seems like it would be pretty difficult to get a camel through a needle eye. (That “oh he was actually referring to a gate” is modern horseshit apologetics designed for rich Christians to justify having money btw, totally made up.)
Jesus didn’t talk about wealth inequality in that way, as far as wealth being bad.
He flat-out said, if you’re rich in this life, you’ve had your reward already and you won’t get into heaven.
Never mind, wealth IS bad. But that is because humans are bad.
“Thou shalt not even try to be a decent person”
the 11th commandment I guess
My sister once told my mom that empathy is what’s ruining this country. It’s not even like it was a misinterpretation/misunderstanding, that’s almost word for word how she said it. I can’t fathom how someone comes to that line of thinking.
To me it feels like social darwinism mentality - the belief that helping the weak survive weakens the herd. AKA “hard choices”.
I can tell you pretty easily but that won’t stop you from pretending to be surprised for internet points next time
Conservative empathy is reserved only for close associations, it is a crisis management mode that modern doomteller media actively stokes with imaginary threats of immigrants and trans people so it is ALWAYS on
In times of crisis, humanity’s generosity contracts as we have to do the cold calculations over limited resources and the fact that we do NOT value every person equally.
Example: If I only had enough food for me and one other person, I would not give that food to a bigot because that food is better served in the belly of a progressive
It’s just that they are triggered into this mode at all times and their circle of empathy is basically only family and friends, but deep down it is always only just them if times get hard enough
You saw the same behavior in times of famine all across the world
Elon Musk is how.
This happened a while before he came out as a right wing nut job and was embraced by conservatives
He literally said this two weeks ago. " The death of the West is due to too much empathy." Paraphrased, of course.
Yeah but what does that have to do with the other posters sister saying it a while back?
Proverbs 14:31 Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.
Deuteronomy 15:7 If anyone is poor among your fellow Israelites in any of the towns of the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward them.
Luke 14:13-14 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.
Luke 12:15: Then he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”
1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?
John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
Matthew 25 (separation of the sheep and the goats) is pretty much the only time Jesus straight-up threatens people with Hell, and he’s basing it on the treatment of the poor, sick, and social outcasts.
“I hate you guys, kill yourself” said Jesus probably during daylight saving time because he didn’t sleep enough.
Fair enough, that’s enough to make me give up on humanity.
I hear he also dropped the n word a couple times on Twitter but he was taking Ambien so it wasn’t his fault.
Also, Jesus was so just of full love when they did the Nazi salute twice.
The only difference between a religion and a cult is time
I’ve heard the distinction described as “it’s a cult when the founder is still around making stuff up, it becomes a religion after he dies and his followers are left to continue doing that in his name.”
Who’s her?
Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. She asked Trump to have mercy for immigrants and pissed him off.
…she’s an episcopalian bishop who led trump’s inaugural service, asking that he accept god’s humility and share his mercy with marginalised people who fear him, specifically naming genderqueer, immigrant, and refugee populations…
Apparently started from a hate ministry in 2021… Dude named James White on Twitter.
"When you start with man as image-bearing creature of God, you can understand why sympathy is good, but empathy is sinful.
Do not surrender our mind to the sinful emotional responses of others."
I don’t get it, “image-bearing creature of God”??
The sinful emotional response caused by losing your home after the landlord tripled the rent
If Jesus ever returned, evangelicals will try to crucify him
With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Daniel 11:32
He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior… He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.
Daniel 8:25, 2 Thess 2:10
… a despicable person will arise… a man of contempt… to whom the royal honor has not been rightfully conferred. He will slip in when least expected and will seize the kingdom through flattery and intrigue.
Daniel 11:21
After an alliance is made with him he will practice deception, and he will go up and gain power with a small force of people.
He will try to change the set times and the laws.
Dan. 7:25
Daniel 8 and 11 here are talking about a prophecy that has already “been fulfilled” - common in the Bible to make these kinds of retroactive prophecies. The bad guy being described there is Antiochus.
That is just Daniel 8. Daniel 11 could reasonably be talking about modern times
Empathy is the enemy of the the manipulative. Their shallow and transparent manipulations wont get past someone with even a small amount of it.
True for some. Others specifically exploit your empathy by centering it on themselves, red herrings, or subverting the action it motivates.
So no empathy for Elon Musk and his crybaby butthurt feelings? Fine by me!
Hearing voices from people that aren’t real is a pretty serious mental condition. I’m convinced religion and all the evil committed on its behalf all just trace back to the root of shit mental healthcare.
On a similar note, the old testament had a historical purpose - to unite disparate tribes and create a national identity against the threat posed by the Assyrian and Babylonian Empires.
The new testament is just a collections of writings and letters. We have no idea who wrote them, they lied on the cover saying the texts are written by the apostles. And by a pretty arbitrary process, a bunch of priests picked their favorite writings and made them into a cannon.
If the same thing happened today, nobody would believe them outside maybe a fringe cult.
PRIESTS made a cannon out of BOOKS‽ That’s some Warhammer shit.
Seriously though, it’s canon.
Not according to my head-cannon.
Easy there, Tankmon
Perhaps partly, my personal belief is the is traces back to early tribal days. I believe the first cultural leaders likely struggled with retaining control and authority at a certain point. After all, there is only so much you can threaten people with to keep them in like. The worse of which is death. A sufficiently motivated person may not care about their physical well-being if they want to achieve a important enough goal. Create an invisible “soul” and a space wizard that determines if that soul gets bliss or torture after death and it adds a new level of control.
The problem is, from what I’ve heard, the black plauge killed all the good priests. Since they were the ones to go and read a person’s last will and testament, they would also end up catching the plauge a lot of the time. So eventually all the smart and respectable priests died, leaving them desperate for anyone. So from then the churches have been lead by undesirable
That sounds like blaming nature for human maliciousness.
What? Priests before the plauge were the ones who could read and write, and were chosen to be good carriers of the message. And those people, thinking they were doing the right thing by helping the dying go to heaven, caught the disease which wasn’t known as the black plauge yet.
They were wiped out almost immediately because of it. The churches then went to the second options, which followed soon after. It kept going until the churches were desperate for anyone to go a say the last rites.
So yeah then malicious people ended up taking over, but nature definitely caused the change.
Malicious people infiltrate structures with strong authority all the time. They just need time to work their way up, not a plague.
It is funny that you think shitty priests were just hanging in the wings as second stringers.
I wish I had a cute devil girl on my shoulder 🙁
Fine, I’ll try to talk your mom into sitting on your shoulder again. This is getting ridiculous, Riiiiicky.
This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone with an understanding of religion. Monotheism has always used othering of people not within the clique to insulate followers.
Not only are other people’s beliefs OBJECTIVELY wrong due to everything my God says being true but you’re also commiting sins against the true God for rejecting him.
Monotheism is the fascist dictatorship of religious structures.
Remind me which level of Hell the hypocrites are in? Is it higher or lower than the one reserved for Jesus now?
I mean I’ve seen some random Instagram stuff where Republicans think that Jesus would not allow immigrants into this country. It truly is another level of delusion at this point
Don’t forget that Instagram is owned by Meta. They’ve admitted to making people up to get more engagement and rage bait.
Was curious and went looking. Is this what you’re referencing? I’m not sure since it doesn’t sound like they were made just to drum up outrage, they were just inherently shitty because they’re AI users who suck at pretending to be people.
I can’t find it anymore, but there was an AI they created that specifically was spouting Russian misinformation to drive engagement. People found it, watched it, and then found others. I’ll keep looking.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/meta-wants-more-ai-bots-on-facebook-and-instagram.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/03/business/meta-ai-accounts-instagram-facebook/index.html
Edit: Here’s one: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/11/1020600/facebook-responsible-ai-misinformation/
Edit 2: Another: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/14/1251072726/ai-spam-images-facebook-linkedin-threads-meta
Edit 3: The best one: https://opentools.ai/news/facebooks-ai-generated-people-future-of-engagement-or-privacy-pitfall
These AI entities are designed to boost interactivity and engagement, aligning with Meta’s push towards generative AI. While the innovation promises enhanced social media experiences, it also raises significant concerns over data privacy and the potential misuse of user-generated content for AI training. Join us as we explore the implications of this bold move by Meta
TYVM, I’ve got some reading to do lol
Noooo I though I escaped this shit.
Noooo I though I escaped this shit.
…which shit? You’re in a community called comicstrips and it’s a comic strip.
The bad ones. That are obviously botted. This shit would always be at the top of the page on Reddit. And it’s never funny.
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