Context:
“Men are being deliberately pushed out of the workforce!”
That’s horrible! Who’s doing it?
89% of Fortune 500 companies are run by men
78% of all businesses period in burgerland are owned by men
So your plan to stop them is to give the business owners who did this special treatment because of their gender? Yeah, that’ll show ‘em!
Sure, but when I point out I’m written off by employers for not being “in their network” no one cares.
Does this also have to do with gendered jobs like healthcare?
Absolutely. For example, it struck me that I saw so many comments on social media about how Alex Pretti was gay for working as a nurse.
Anectodally all the straight dude nurses i know are either married or pretty successful dating-wise.
" you know, you shouldn’t exactly center your unrelated major life decisions around dating, but have have considered that you would meet a lot of women if you joined a woman-dominated academic or career track? Maybe that would make your dating life easier in some ways, right? "
“… nah, that sounds gay asf”
One of Shakespeare’s King Henry plays taught me that talking to women in any way is gay. I know, reading Shakespeare is also gay. Pretty much everything is gay. Maybe men aren’t getting jobs because they’re staying at home to avoid the minefield of gay out there.
Maybe people wouldn’t be so gullible if they had some sort of, I don’t know, a formal education?
I do have gripes with the US education system ngl.
It is so pay-to-win, but if you’re not rich you can also get by if you complain-to-win, it just takes more effort.
There were so many people in my classes who would barely show up, or would hire people to take their exams for them. Had people chatting to each other during the final and the professor just looked at them like an NPC because he knew he had no power to fail them.
I had another course where they group project was like 75% of our grade, we had a member who contributed nothing, and the professor knew from the first status report that they weren’t contributing anything.
After the project grades came out, this person escalated it to the dean, and even with all the documented evidence of them contributing nothing, they were still pushed along into the system. It’s a bad look on the school’s stats if their 4-year graduation rate starts to drop.
Most universities in the US run like this, they just want money, either from admissions or donors, and they don’t care in the slightest about actually teaching their students, that isn’t their priority.
this only speaks to the credentialism side of things. obviously, the children of the wealthy are going to have it easier. they are going to have a leg into professional networks, they are going to have support, etc. formal education doesn’t impede that and i completely agree with the characterization of academia as more focused on revenue than service delivery, especially at the c-level. they are laying the ground work for a mass collapse of publicly-supported higher education. WVU writ large.
the US is not a meritocracy, but bullshitting one’s way through the actual, real opportunity for personal edification is legitimately one of the most short-sighted and wasteful things someone can do to themselves. like paying $20-30 to borrow a book from someone and pretending to read it while staring at nothing for 10 hours. x1000.
the way to approach higher education is recognizing the real opportunity to scam the institution out of more useful knowledge and personal/community contacts than what one gets with its most basic, minimum credential.
On some level it’s true that college is often a scam, or rather that it’s part of much larger scams like credential inflation and so on, but Kirk’s answer was that people just shouldn’t go to college, and I wonder if some of the reason was that it would drive up male unemployment and make it easier to radicalized these men toward his cause long term because their lives are that more shitty and directionless.
I don’t think that much thought was put into anything that Kirk said. He was a mouthpiece for elderly reactionary fools with grandchildren who no longer talk to them. He said what got attention from his audience so he could make money. He probably believed in all of it, but his content was driven by clicks and money, not some long term conservative plan.
Opposing public education has definitely been a long-term conservative plan, at least since the Civil Rights Act. I don’t think there was much going on between Charlie’s ears (probably why they aimed for the neck), but I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that his brand of talking points got amplified.
My phrasing was too ambiguous. Kirk was just a hateful dweeb, but he clearly wasn’t simply speaking his own opinions, he received marching orders on various topics, and I was trying to ask if the factions bankrolling him had these intentions.
I don’t think he appealed too much to the elderly.
He appealed to young groypers who listen to people like Sam Hyde, and fall for crypto and tiktok “be a man grindset” online courses that only teach you how to make your own scam course. Or how to lose all your money “drop shipping” or “making automated content”
The youth is always the target for new pysops, much like the generations before who grew up with the alt right pipeline on YouTube.
There needs to he a space that appeals to the disinfranchises youth that seems edgy and funny and are leftist focused. Someone like Stavros halkias would be a good example.
I don’t think he appealed too much to the elderly.
Yes he did, or at least people older than his nominal audience. Most of his career was just slopaganda for boomer conservatives and he wasn’t great at persuading young people, even if he was a champion of Young Republican types.
He appealed to young groypers
Groypers routinely made coordinated efforts to disrupt his events for not being fascist enough. Groypers only liked him after he got a bullet in the neck and people like Feuntes tried to turn him into a martyr of their campaign against “the organized Jewry” or whatever they call it now.
You’re homogenizing different groups, which undermines your ability to analyze what they are doing and therefore how to oppose them.
This is anecdotal but before he died I didnt know anyone one over the age of 55 who even heard of him. It wasn’t until after he died and they pushed his death as some kind of 9/11 event that all the boomers started practically praying to ai generated images of him.
Before that I only ever heard about him from college dudes who say overtly racist shit in video games, and then they hated them after he died. Sure I homongized them as one group but really they’re the same and only vary slightly in opinion on one issue. But I understand what you mean, and I’m really good/bad at generalizing things into nice clean groups for laziness.
I’m also one of those “well achtuaally” idiots and got fixated on predeath what he was working on and towards. I used the word appealed as in past tense, and I don’t think I really made my point fully clear. They really really want to push turning point USA into every school system including k-12 for some reason and to me thats primarily appealing to the youth audience. They make kids write essays on 9/11 and 9/10, as if they are on the same level as a “national tragedy” and didnt really think about post death, and how he suddenly became a household name for everyone in a retirement home. Or all the million of ai generated posts about him being in heaven for protecting free speech against the evil communist or whatever.
Before that I only ever heard about him from college dudes who say overtly racist shit in video games,
I’m counting these as mainly Young Republican and adjacent types, people who usually were already conservative and he served as slopaganda to pander to them, because I guess the deeper point isn’t about politics but the fact that he was never and still is not a good recruitment tool (see kirkification). He was, at the very most, at least for most of his career, only useful at emboldening existing reactionaries and fostering a media ecosystem for more reactionary grifters like him to thrive in.
I’m also one of those “well achtuaally” idiots
Me too, which is why I’m having this conversation, though I guess you inferred that.
They really really want to push turning point USA into every school system including k-12 for some reason and to me thats primarily appealing to the youth audience.
This is a good place for the distinction I pointed out, which is that they do want to use him for turning young people to the right (his whole image was primarily about him supposedly being great at that) but they are going through these kinds of institutional mechanisms because the people that actually like him in this scenario aren’t the kids but the old reactionaries setting this curriculum. I think such an approach will inevitably turn some kids to the right, but the ridiculousness of it (a trait you rightly point out) and Kirk’s basic lack of appeal will probably make it overall a D.A.R.E. situation. Again, see kirkification.
I wonder how this “education” agenda will work with the existing PraegerU one that had already gotten much further along. I guess they will probably just fuse, since Erika, etc. have been firmly on the PU/DW side of the media divide.
Prager U, and tpusa are really pushing into the ai education space, and make a breaking point that way.
I think Prager U teaches revisionist history about slavery, uses ai generated cartoons for kids and etc.
Turning point USA is doing the worksheets as mentioned, and is doing lots of clubs in high schools.
Its all tied into this weird push for school credits for pivate schools and gobbling up that money. Parents think public schools are too woke because Joe rogan and the news networks say kids have litter boxes in the bathrooms for furries, and trans in sports, blaah blaah blaah
Being “edgy and funny” but leftist is hoe you end up with leftypol and nazbols nowadays
Including or excluding gang scams?
Scam violence
I don’t think this is the whole picture. Automation is annihilating a lot of jobs rn
Of course not. That doesn’t stop these assholes from using a grain of truth to distort the whole picture.
CHUDs follow the golden rule of politics: never let a crisis go to waste.
if you give just a little bit of forethought to what major you pick, go to a generic in-state public university, then within 2 years of enrolling, with minimal effort and no networking, you’ll be making more than your highschool teachers during your first co-op.
Coops are hard to get now
The jobs really don’t roll in that easy for a lot of majors it used to. But I do strongly recommend just about everyone I know to at least go to community college, because you can boost your wages significantly getting a 1 or 2 year certificate in just about anything. Lots of different medical techs usually, but some involve more or less actual face time with patients. Phlebotomy, pharmacy, veterinary, polysomnography (watch people sleep and record their brain waves), medical coding, etc. Could actually double your wages (from 10/hr to 20/hr lol) back when I was in school.
Yep. Like everything post 2008 should have been a masterclass in porky is a lazy, myopic pig and if you want an economy at all, you need to breathe down porky’s neck and force him to do ANYTHING!
Like how do rich people function? They can barely breathe without a regulation forcing them to!
Waaaa is the Lindsay Clancy thing not distracting from the failing war enough? They really are keen on this gender war bullshit right now.
He means University of Phoenix, DeVry, and all the other private diploma mill “online” schools that keep losing their accreditation, right?
College is a scam if you’re paying for it.
