SchillMenaker [he/him]

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  • I can’t post the entire body of evidence from the intervening 13 years since that paper was published but it agrees with what I’m saying because my opinions are based on that body of evidence.

    Big assumptions on the competent immune system

    A deliberate assumption. You need one of those to clear an infection, if you’ve got a compromised immune system and a doctor tells you to fuck off and take some pills for a bacterial infection they’re committing malpractice.

    If you stop taking the antibiotics and the strep comes back

    That’s just not what is seen clinically. People stop their antibiotics early all the time, it’s practically baked into the treatment protocols. If that were the primary or even a major mechanism of drug resistance people would be dropping dead left right and center from common infections.

    The other thing is that I’m not advocating for “just do whatever you want with antibiotics,” that’s the opposite of what I’m saying. Every time you take antibiotics you are exposing hundreds of millions of distinct microbial populations to that drug, not just the single pathogenic organism. People should be much more aware of when it is necessary to use antibiotics and when it is unnecessary and understand that unnecessary use is potentially harmful.

    Ultimately, take your full course or stop a couple of days early if you’re already better, it makes little difference, just don’t go out begging for antibiotics every time you’ve got a runny nose. Also jail agricultural executives.




  • Here’s a random paper from 2013 talking about it. It’s something that is a little tough to nail down but the evidence since then consistently points to antibiotic resistance genes arising in native flora rather than the pathogens themselves and then getting opportunistically picked up by pathogens later.

    It makes intuitive sense if you know how horizontal gene transfer works in bacteria (which most people don’t because it’s complicated and weird), but imagine exposing a single strep infection to a single course of antibiotics. Even if you don’t kill every cell with the drug, you’ve almost certainly weakened it enough for a competent immune system to finish mopping the floor with the infection. Now imagine the trillions of other bacteria that are always present in your body being exposed to every course of antibiotics that you’ve ever taken and, rather than being cleared by the immune system, repopulating. Which of those scenarios is more likely to encourage resistance? Now add in the fact that most bacteria can drink each other’s milkshakes and you’ve got an inevitable MDR crisis brewing.

    But also agriculture. My God is agriculture bad for developing drug resistance genes.