If Donny Dealz does drag us into another war in the middle east, is that the death of MAGA or will the chuds triple down and say this is 4D3D3D3D Chess and refill your popcorn bucket because any second now white people will rule the world again?
We must remember the wise words of Karl Marx who said “Cash Rules Everything Around Me.”
Orange man bad is pivoting to war and will quietly eliminate tariffs. This will get his flock of snowflakes in line.
Tariffs are good. Very, very good. Best. But I’m temporarily cancelling them because we are fighting Iran. And they are bad. Very, very bad.
Tariffs are good because they’re fucking America
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is that the death of MAGA or will the chuds triple down and say this is 4D3D3D3D Chess
I don’t believe this anti-war coalition made up of racist republicans exists or has ever existed in any meaningful sense.
Remember all the anti-war Republicans that were so happy when Biden pulled troops out of Afghanistan?
It exists, it makes up about 15-20% of the GOP base, which is 30-40% of the population of the US.
245 million adult voters * 0.3 GOP * 0.15 = 11 million people conservatively.
They are loud so you hear a lot from them on social media, but like I said, they are an extreme minority in their own party so they are effectively powerless and have like 1-2 senators they like. They’re about a third in size of the radical left probably, who also only have 1-2 politicians they kinda like in all of the establishment. The radical left however doesn’t vote very often or involve itself very much in domestic politics on the governmental level.
Yeah I think it’s about as real as never-Trump Republicans were. You will never get the Republican base (or much of the Democrat base, for that matter) to meaningfully oppose bombing brown people.
MAGA will cheer, drowning out the anti-war right (those will probably adapt too)
The Media will be ecstatic.
The liberals will cheer.
Crisis nationalism will thrive
The Socdems will be unhappy, but about half will go “well, if it’s about stopping WMDs and supporting democracy then fiiiiine.”
The left will openly support Iran and be considered enemy #1
Hitlerites supporting doing the same to uncivilized Muslims spreading antisemitism in the west will thrive.
I watched about five minutes of their top of the hour coverage an hour ago. The CNN logo should have been removed and replaced with HPN for Hasbara and Pentagon News.
“People here in Tel Aviv are more confident to be out in public…”
It’s so gross I had to turn it off.
CNN even at its best is pretty bad. But that crap took the cake. It wasn’t news. It was just flag-waving and propaganda. CNN is in “post 9/11” pro-war mode again. I wanted to vomit.
I can’t imagine decades of “Iran is literally the devil” by the
in the U.S. and abroad will be easy to break, especially for the MAGA contingent.MAGA is in the midst of a split over zionism, at least, to the extent that settler-colonial fascist movements can “split”. It should be noted that CIA asset Tucker Carlson is currently being pushed as the thought-leader for the “anti-zionist” side of MAGA, so you can draw your own conclusions about the authenticity of the “split” based on that.
I’m out of the loop. Do we have evidence Carlson is a CIA plant?
He tried to get in and got rejected
Maybe he decided to become a Russian asset out of spite. I don’t believe that but it would be funny
Maybe he decided to become a Russian asset out of spite.
That would make an excellent conspiracy theory. It just needs a catchy name. But I just can’t think of one. Maybe something like “Tucker + a three syllable word/phrase for spite”
I want to believe
If the shoe fits…
This will be like when he did the cruise missile strike on Syria, all the hawks on both sides of the aisle will line up to shake his hand for acting “presidential”
Trump 2 culturally feels a lot like Bush 2 (w) to me, so my assumption is the hogs will go hog wild for some war
Saṃsāra comes sooner and sooner every year it feels like. We will be here again. We will do this again. 
I foresee a split in the Trump coalition.
Everyone over 45, the old school neocons, evangelicals, Reagan Republicans, they will end up lining up behind their wartime president.
The Theo Von podcast Republican, young America Firsters, and a good chunk of the straight up online Nazis, will push back. This might end up costing Trump the midterm, depending on how Democrats handle their messaging. But it will have no impact when JD Vance decides to run for president in 2028.
depending on how Democrats handle their messaging
Can you imagine Democrat house/senate candidates not trying to out-warhawk Trump on Iran?
“Imagine”? I remember when Trump assassinated General Qassem Soleimani, liberal media outlets like the New York War Crimes released articles about it being Trump’s “most presidential” moment.
Nah, only one guy has the Trump juice and its Trump. He was around in the uniculture, got famous then. No one else can crack that. The GOP is entirely oriented around one guy right now
Great points, this is what I was thinking too. I can see the old neocons salivating for war and getting behind Trump while the groyper isolationist brigade getting mad. Of course the dems are going to fuck this up and promise to bomb iran 10x harder in the midterms.
They’re going to try to maneuver to the right of Trump. And then be mad at us when they manage to lose a gimme election in the midterms.
When I was very young in the '90s, the Democrats were the party that got us into war. Republicans were able to sit back, preach neutrality and isolationism. They could rightfully say that “we don’t get involved in foreign quagmires, Korea and Vietnam were Democrat wars” while positioning themselves as a party of peace. Of course that was a lie, but it was a lie that resonated with a lot of people.
Starting in 2004, the Republicans became the party of war. They were the ones who got us into the most recent foreign quagmires. Democrats had an amazing opportunity to frame themselves as the party of peace, The party of no forever-wars. Something that they were somewhat successful in during the Obama years. Even though we know that it was a lie, it was a lie that resonated with people.
Watching the Democrats give up this amazing position, is like watching The Washington Generals lose a basketball game to a pack of stray dogs. It’s infuriating. I don’t expect the Democrats to do the right thing, I don’t even expect them to do the smart thing, but if you can’t run up the score in a situation like this what is the point of organizing yourself into a party?
When I was very young in the '90s, the Democrats were the party that got us into war.
Are you talking about them intervening in the Yugo civil war?
The only major direct confrontation the US was involved in in the 90’s was the Gulf War
In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat’s war. Democrats also tended to be the party that talked about intervention, being the world’s policeman.
H.W. and Reagan started plenty of conflicts but the average American saw no impact from these conflicts. They couldn’t point to Granada on a map, and Desert Storm was just a fun show on CNN. These conflicts were quickly forgotten and through most of the 90s Republicans were able to position themselves as a party of peace. In 2000, George W Bush’s campaign focused on limiting “foreign entanglements” and not acting as the world’s police.
It’s always been a lie from both parties, but even though it’s a lie it’s still the kind of message that wins elections.
I’ve been looking for sources that back me up and I’m starting to think that this impression I have, is less objectively true. I definitely remember in the lead up to the Iraq War, several people reminding me the Republicans had not gotten us into the quagmire of Vietnam or Korea, but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it’s really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy.
In the '90s people were still talking about how Vietnam started off as the Democrat’s war.
Ah, yeah, good point.
but rewatching the presidential debates of 2000, it’s really hard to find a place where Bush and Gore actually differ on foreign policy.
I distinctly remember seeing a clip from those debates where Gore took a more interventionist position, but idk if I could find it. It’s a real thing though, it’s a big part of why Bush was all like, “This is not about nation-building” and stuff like that at the start.
fuckbut if you can’t run up the score in a situation like this what is the point of organizing yourself into a party?
To keep up the illusion of bourgeois political theater. The point is not to be a party with some sort of distinct principles or even to have power for your specific team but to put on a show, fight over meaningless things and adhere like the party to the wants of capital and empire at the end of the day. What’s curious I guess to me is that they manage to not know this themselves yet somehow ensure it continues to come true, perhaps the top party organizers understand it well enough to sew chaos and lousy consultants and strategies throughout to guarantee this outcome. At least I feel since the Clinton era this has been the agenda they successfully pushed with the whole “third way” stuff which is really just adhering to empire and trying to outflank the Republicans. The days of any genuine division however small ended with the cold war when capital decided it didn’t need to maintain real fighting and told their boxers the truth about these fights being fixed and their need to cooperate on that. Oh the fights on things like racism, culture war, welfare are real enough but these lines of empire are red lines no one may cross without being destroyed by the bourgeois press and isolated by the structure of government (loss of committee assignments, others refusing to work with that person on their bills, being targeted by their own party to be replaced next election).
The second one. I mean a few people will peel off here and there. But what most chuds atleast like is definitely just trump. He does the best things… Whatever he does is best.
If it’s the death it’ll only be because rich bojos loose money somehow via this. They maybe then suffocate the movement via no funding. Or try anyway.
4D3D3D3D Chess
Can I get a Flarhgunnstow?
How about a hat wobble?
NUDE TAYNE
Let me get a pic of Oyster smiling.
Please MAGA, do what no Dem dares - literally take his head off for this betrayal.
We can’t afford another war in the ME at all, especially with the $3T in tax cuts for the rich and corporations they’re trying to pass right now. Cuts which are being used as an excuse to rob us of what little support we have left. This is making America destitute.
Making us destitute is the point. Russian propaganda got us all.
Yeah, the glorious USA would never do anything bad without foreign influence lol
Half the country is illiterate. Cherish you education folks. America is what it looks like when too many people don’t have one.
Amerikkka deserves to be broke
4D3D3D3D = 108D4
All I know about D’s are double, sometimes, triple D’s :grillman:
D’s nuts
:kelly:
D’STURBING THE PEACE
LOOK INTO MY EYES
NOW TELL ME THE THINGS YOU’RE BLABBIN
ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK
I do think there will be a massive split within the Republicans, and the next elections (if they happen), will pretty much go to a Democrat by default because of a significant portion of Republicans refusing to vote.
We’ll get the Biden/Kamala effect in reverse.
Dems will try hard to fumble this
Yeah if a ray of light shot down from the heavens and bestowed basic competency and 25th percentile intelligence on either party it could have flipped any election of the last 10 years
well yeah, they aren’t trying to win. it’s theater
Dems are no longer relevant, in my opinion. We get either a religious finatic Heritage Foundation zealot, or a psychopathic, unethical, pompous, misogynist, rascist, techbro dork. Free elections will probably never happen again.
