You know, like McDowells. I don’t actually care what color my shells are. There are principals involved. Principalities!
Edit: Some salty commenters here. This isn’t my graph, just one I grabbed. Notes aren’t mine.
I’m a huge proponent for inflation adjusted livable minimum wage- which should be close to $30 an hour these days. Also hugely worried about our housing cost trends.
I’m only pointing out that expecting games to cost 40-60 for life is a little silly- yall still paying $.10 for a loaf of bread? I remember when games inched from $40 to $60 and everyone lost their minds- no one complains about it anymore. Don’t wanna pay retail? Wait for sales, bundles, used copies.
Okay, but now do housing and groceries and you’ll see why people don’t have extra money laying around for another Nintendo and its Mario kart.
Economics is significantly more complicated than a bar graph of inflation-adjusted video game price tags lol. Hell, even just value of each game in their respective release time period is more complicated than that. I doubt there’s anything unique to this new game (other racing games have done the open world thing several times starting like 15 years ago), but the kart racer genre itself was new back in the 90s.
This is a valuable way of seeing how prices have changed in different ways for different categories, just since 2000.
Why are TV’s listed as “100% cheaper”? I’m a little confused about that number.
Looking up the source, they state: “At the turn of the century, a flat screen TV would cost around 17% of the median income of the time ($42,148). In the early aughts though, prices began to fall quickly. Today, a new TV will cost less than 1% of the U.S. median income ($54,132).”
So a Flat screen TV used to cost around $7165, and does now cost around $541, which is about 7.5% of the original value. That means a deflation by 92.5%.
Okay, but now do housing and groceries and you’ll see why people don’t have extra money laying around for another Nintendo and its Mario kart.
Okay. So, they won’t buy one then.
Yeah, people don’t make enough money, I agree.
Note: Salary growth has outpaced inflation.
You know what else has outpaced inflation? The cost of living. Purchasing power for middle and lower class people is far less than what it used to be. “Inflation” doesn’t account for that.
this argument is so fucking dumb
Volume of video game sales has changed monstrously over the years as it moved from a niche hobby to mainstream
SNES Mario kart - 8.76 million copies sold worldwide Switch Mario kart 8 - 67.34 million copies sold world wide.
SNES mario kart (inflation adjusted) earnings - 1,095,000,000 Switch Mario kart earnings - 5,252,520,000
Game dev budgets have obviously exploded in that time and nintendo doesn’t disclose their budgets but on average its estimated snes titles got about 1-2 million and switch/wii u titles got 30ish million. That’s a sizable increase in development that wildly outpaces inflation, for sure, but their earnings obviously did too.
Because they… sold more copies?
yes obviously
your pricing is higher when volume of sales is lower because you have to cover overheads and still make a profit.
When volume is significantly higher the pricing can be lower. You can still cover your overheads because even though you make less money per unit, you overall still can make the same amount (or in this case, 5x as much) because of the increased sales volume
The “need to increase prices” is motivated by several factors like a weak yen and remaining fear from the commercial failure of the Wii U but it’s primarily greed and hostility to consumers. Mario kart is the most successful nintendo game so it is not fair to use it solely as the metric but it is also not as if their other games all suffer and that they don’t make shitloads of cash; 11 billion last year and 12 billion the year before.
And those numbers don’t include companies that are commonly associated with by divested from nintendo like the Pokémon company, which made another 1.9 billion on top of that last year. And unlike many western AAA developers their development costs appear to be far more controlled, with estimates of 20-30 million per game vs something like Spider-Man 2 for the ps5, which was over 10x that at 315 million. According to the leaks the first Spider-Man game cost over 100 million to make and made 827 million back.
The thing that graph doesn’t take into account is barely anyone paid full price for those older games. Games used to lower prices to increase sales volume and those sale prices are significantly less than $80 even accounting for inflation.
Nintendo games never go on sale. And if somebody buys a Switch game, dumps the ROM, and sells it to you, your Nintendo account gets banned because the ID in the header matches the one being distributed over the Internet.
But isn’t it easier if I just ignore the nuance of economics and just place all the blame for my unhappiness on corporate greed?
I think it’d also be interesting to see the total production cost of each Mario Kart, and a total sales/revenue generated by each game.
Games are also much easier to distribute now than they ever where, saving cost.
True- but they cost like 1000x more to develop too.
The cost ceiling for AAA games has increased, but no I’d say considering advancements in game engines and the power of personal computers the floor has never been cheaper (1 person can make a game in their free time for $0, even 3D).
If any were to embrace the lower-end(/minimalism, proven older techniques) you’d think it’d be this company, but now their releases are “only” 10-20GiB.
There’s no reason the market has to do that. We’ve all collectively decided that every generation should have MORE, but the best games I’ve played in recent years are done by small teams looking to provide a good experience in a somewhat limited package.
I don’t see Diddy Kong Racing on there which is really the only one you need anyway.
This doesn’t mean anything. Something only has as much value as the customer is willing to pay. People don’t want to pay more than $60 for most new games being released today and companies need to accept that.
Fuck what it cost years ago.
Same goes for everything else. You could make the same argument for cars and trucks which are now reaching $50k USD for base features. Still doesn’t matter. Still overpriced.
Let’s talk about what we’ve lost too. Games used to come as a complete edition. Now you get the game and it’s unplayable on the first day without an update and even then still has features broke, waiting for an update weeks or months later. Not to mention DLC.
Inb4 Tux Racer
Also, Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart
Super Tux Kart
Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled: A remaster of the classic
PlayStation kart racer, featuring Crash Bandicoot and his friends.
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed: Characters from SEGA franchises race in vehicles that transform into boats and planes.
Diddy Kong Racing: Race with Diddy Kong and his friends in karts, planes and hovercraft.
Team Sonic Racing: A kart racer where you work together in teams, using team moves and ultimate abilities.
Nickelodeon Kart Racers Series: Features characters from various Nickelodeon shows.
Disney Speedstorm: A kart racer featuring characters from Disney and Pixar franchises.
KartRider: Drift: A free-to-play kart racer with a focus on drifting.
Lego Racers: Build and race Lego vehicles on various tracks.
Garfield Kart Furious Racing: Race as Garfield and his friends on themed tracks.
Konami Krazy Racers: Race as characters from Konami’s popular franchises.
Blur: Combines arcade racing with vehicular combat and power-ups.
ModNation Racers: Features track creation and customization.
LittleBigPlanet Karting: Brings the creativity of LittleBigPlanet into a kart racing experience.
F1 Race Stars: A more arcade-style take on Formula 1 racing.
SuperTuxKart: An open-source kart racing game.
Starlit Kart Racing: A free-to-play kart racer with a variety of game modes.
Make sure you put two line breaks between every new line. Otherwise it kinda comes out as a blob. You can also use a dash and a space before each entry to get a bullet point.
Played a copy of Crash Team Racing a bit ago. Had a real good time with it.
Party animals has an almost 1:1 in terms of gameplay ripoff of Mario kart
There’s a third Sonic racing game called Sonic and SEGA All Stars Racing.
Not quite a clone, but Crash Tag Team Racing was a staple of my childhood
Crash Team Racing PS1 was IMHO better than Mario Kart N64. The wumpa fruit added a neat dimension, and the ability to select weapons for battle mode was great.
It still is. Mario Kart is third best behind CTR and Sonic Transformed.
Konami Krazy Racers
I wonder why they didn’t got for something like “Konami Krazy Karting”
Out of curiosity: did you partly use AI to make this list? Some of the short descriptions read very oddly for a forum post, e.g. the “various tracks” part on Lego Racers.
The “And his friends” seems like ai to me too. Not a huge deal since its just a quick aggregated list, but still fun to try and spot
Yes, those two and the LBP one are what got my sensor to go off.
I’m not trying to make a drama out of it (although some people might), I was really just curious if my intuition was correct. I also don’t think it’s all AI because they used a , instead of a : on the second item, and LLMs tend to be way better than that at consistent formatting.
honestly if I was op I wouldn’t respond to that question regardless if AI was(or wasn’t) used, the “did you use AI question” very easily falls into a slippery slope where others hop on and harrass people over it, so it’s easier to just ignore the question.
I would. And then I would use AI to argue with em lol.
If you wanted to make a Mario Kart clone, copyright is easy enough to avoid. Nearly every other second-rate dev studio has managed to make a half-baked Mario Kart ripoff for whatever Nick Jr show they got the licensing to, so that part’s simple.
The real issue is navigating the patent minefield that Nintendo has laid out.
piracy makes for the easiest boycotts ever.
just saying.
I’m still busy enjoying their older consoles. They probably hate that.
judging by how hard/expensive it is to obtain their older games on their newer consoles, yeah you bet they hate it.
luckily those are both easy to emulate and buy second hand.
Yep, I like to play their older games on a mix of original hardware, modding, and emulation.
Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed is oddly slept on. Great kart racer.
Break out DOSBox and fire up Wacky Wheels from Apogee
… Not particularly more recently there was a Crash Team Racing remake
Honestly coming up blank for anything else recentish in that genre
Wacky wheels was my jam
A low enough amount that Warframe has a mario Kart esque minigame available in game
The Mario part. You can copy the Kart part all day. They’ve been doing so since at least the 64. See:
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Diddy Kong Racing
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Crash Team Racing
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Burger King Pocketbike Racer
Let’s not forget SuperTuxKart!
I love tuxcart but I can never find anyone else playing? Is the player base just that small?
Tbh I have no idea. I’ve only ever played single-player!
The crash racing games are actually amazing, their boost system is the best
Skunny Kart was my favourite, mostly because it was by a group called “CopySoft”
I’ll never fucking forgive y’all for leaving out Dr Robotnik’s Ring Racers (FOSS sonic fangame)
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Modded Wii U playing online on Pretendo Network 😚👌
I was going to buy a switch 2 (or attempt to), but at that cost… hell no. Not without dinner first.
The Wii is still a good platform
If you haven’t tried modded Mario Kart Wii before, you’re missing out.
Basically every kind of game needs a “MUGEN” for that genre. Then we just put in the content we want and theme it appropriately.
Does SuperTuxKart fit the bill?
