I mean… it is waaaay better than whiskey. Which is why it’s worse than whiskey.
legalise it, tax it, take the money from gangsters, fund free healthcare
same with heroin, nicotine, alcohol, and everything else
I like the whole fund free healthcare idea but realistically just about all the $ coming in from drug sales would go directly into Leon’s pocket or whoever tf
i think that’s very easily legislated for
It’s not the legislation I’m worried about, it’s the enforcement 🫠
Well, usually those go nice hand in hand
Way easier to die from cocaine…
“The lethal dose of cocaine is 82.5 milligrams per kilogram (mg/kg).”
https://www.addictionresource.net/lethal-doses/cocaine/
“Blood alcohol concentrations (BAC) of 0.31% to 0.45% are considered life-threatening. The lethal dose of alcohol is about 5 to 8 grams per kilogram of body weight (g/kg).”
https://www.addictionresource.net/lethal-doses/alcohol/
Google tells me 1 shot of whiskey is about 14g of pure alcohol, so a fatal dose for someone weighing 81kg (180 pounds) would be 29 to 46 shots, or 43.5 to 69 ounces. (Nice!)
A standard 750ml liquor bottle is 25.3 ounces.
I mean, yeah, but if you had it regulated to the point where people could dose accordingly, it would lower overdoses. Street stuff, you could get a batch 5x more potent than the last and take the same amount and die. I’ve always been a legalize and tax all drugs person. People are going to do it regardless, and making it illegal creates cartels and clogs up the jails with nonviolent offenders.
Well, we also don’t include all the drunk driving deaths, or the “he gets like that when he drinks” abuse. Is cocaine worse? Yea probably. Is drinking safe enough for the favourable comparison just because it’s harder to OD? Ehhhhh…
Right but you don’t chug a pint of cocaine
Anymore
Definitely true! I hope nobody chugs a pint of pure alcohol either!
So downing a 1.5 litre neck of vodka in a hurry can kill you (if you can keep it down). And of course, if you’re taking something else at the same time, there can be synergistic effects that considerably lower the lethal dosage.
Now how many average sized lines of cocaine is 82 milligrams?
I guess it depends on the line, but 1/8th of an ounce is 3.5g, 2 of those could be fatal for someone 180 pounds.
https://pacificsandsrecovery.com/what-is-an-eight-ball-of-coke/
That’s quite a large amount of coke though
And as the normal route is too snort it, I’m pretty sure you will have a hard time to get that much stuff inside you at once
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Bye, troll.
The point is how much you need to take for an active dose (eg getting drunk/high) and when you take this into account - it’s actually more likely you’ll kill yourself getting drunk than doing coke.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg
I don’t even know where to being with that. But we at least know you don’t drink.
Oh, that’s definitely true. If I have one beer I puke for three days:
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17659-alcohol-intolerance
Oh, that’s definitely true. If I have one beer I puke for three days:
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17659-alcohol-intolerance
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For a 180 pound person, 81 kg, the fatal dose would be 82.5mg * 81 = 6,682.5mg / 1,000 = 6.7g of coke.
An 1/8th of an ounce of cocaine is 3.5g.
https://pacificsandsrecovery.com/what-is-an-eight-ball-of-coke/
It’s the Yanks tool again.
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Oh, man, don’t even get me started on fentanyl.
We decriminalized it and it was a fucking disaster.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/fentanyl/sinaloa-cartel-oregon-fentanyl/
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I’m sorry? What?
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Pardon?
That Jordan Lund guy making pseudoscientific claim without any credentials and then banning people who disagree with him.
That same guy from a country that destroys south America with their illegal drug trade.
Fkn hypocrites
Pretty sure people can OD from cocaine quite easily.
Yep, and alcohol OD (poisoning) happens all the time and isn’t that hard to do either.
Edit: It sounds like I am all for cocaine, I never liked it, or any upper for that matter. It’s easier to die from cocaine for sure.
Alcohol poisoning is not a particularly rare thing either.
Luckily, alcohol doesn’t have this problem
Drink a 5th of vodka and see if you don’t OD.
You mean a 5th bottle of vodka, right? A 5th of a bottle of vodka is not much. That’s 40% so 1/5 * 0.4 = 8%. That’s like drinking a full bottle of wine, two bottles of cider or 4 pints of beer. You might get drunk but no fucking way you OD.
Most youngs need that amount to barely start getting tipsy…
a 5th of a bottle
No, a fifth is a bottle size in the US, it’d be a 750ml bottle outside of the US.
… Are you fucking kidding me… Of course not.
Anyway, that’s still not enough for OD.
Motherfucker, that’s breakfast.
Several things determine the danger of a drug. One of the most important is the “distance” from pleasure to lethal dose. In that regard alcohol is way less dangerous than kokain.
Another risk is how easy you build dependency, and again you can easily enjoy a shared bottle of wine for dinner, or a beer during a break, and even get drunk in the weekend every weekend for years, all without building a dependency, you really have to abuse alcohol to become an alcoholic.
Finally there’s the way you take it, where alcohol is consumed relatively slowly, and the uptake through the digestive system is also relatively slow. Kokain is taken quickly, to obtain a rush and a the high quickly, and the uptake is directly to the blood through mucosa, way quicker than if it had to go through the digestive system.
This makes kokain (cocaine) way more likely to create a dependency, and is also why it’s generally considered more dangerous.So objectively by perfectly standard measures, kokain is way more dangerous than alcohol. Even without accounting for the extra dangers from kokain being illegal, like the addition of adulterants that are very dangerous.
I have no strong opinion for/against legalizing cocaine, but your statements don’t seem to align with the literature I’ve read on the lethal dose of alcohol vs cocaine - which I’ve always seen list alcohol as worse.
For example the chart below which measures the dose required for an active dose vs a lethal dose as a ratio - alcohol is worse.
Source listed here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drug_danger_and_dependence.svg
That chart is simply wrong:
https://www.libertyhouseclinic.co.uk/blog/substance-abuse/cocaine-or-alcohol-whats-worse/
Due to its intense and immediate effects on the brain’s reward system, cocaine comes with a very high risk of addiction.
This is a very well established fact in what research shows about dependency. There is absolutely NO WAY cocaine is only slightly higher than alcohol in dependency potential.
It’s also one of the things that make smoking such a strong dependency.Also both LSD and Psilocybin seem dead wrong from what I know. Both are advised to ONLY take when you are monitored by a sober person. And that’s not because of how “innocent” they are.
LSD and psilocybin are non-lethal and do not develop physical dependencies. Youd have to take and insane amount to die. You are advised to be watched if you are new to the drugs as they are HIGHLY mind altering. It’s not like alcohol or weed, your perception of things completely change. An experienced user is fine on a standard dose alone. But that’s not what LD-50 measures anyway, it deals with direct toxicity. Its not someone jumping through a window because they are tripping and now think they can fly.
OK but they are highly dangerous none the less. I know (2nd hand) of someone who became dependent using it only once!!
Despite warnings not to use it unmonitored, and only once per year.Its not someone jumping through a window because they are tripping and now think they can fly.
OK I get the point. 😋
If you get drunk every weekend for years you are an alcoholic and you just don’t know it.
The % of alcohol drinkers who are problematic drinkers is extremely high (about 25% of alcohol drinkers in Canada to give an example), people just don’t understand what is problematic drinking. 10% of the US population over 12 y.o. has dealt with alcoholism in the last year.
It’s 15 drinks per week for men and 8 for women to be considered a heavy drinker. That’s 1 to 2 a day, or just all in the weekend. These are determined by the US CDC. Source
Here in The Netherlands the amount of glasses is higher to be considered a problematic drinker (21 for men and 14 for women) but it is recommended to drink less then 1 glass per day to avoid alcohol related diseases. Source
Because alcohol is so normalized people don’t see it as problematic as other substance abuse but if alcohol would have been invented recently it would have been listed as a class A drug. Alcohol is more toxic to the human body than cocain.
If you get drunk every weekend for years you are an alcoholic and you just don’t know it.
Some people get drunk once a week and don’t drink otherwise.
10% of the US population over 12 y.o. has dealt with alcoholism in the last year.
I never claimed alcohol is without problems. I expect by dealt with, it includes family and friends coworkers and such. That it isn’t personal alcoholism.
Nope, that’s personal alcoholism.
You can get drunk once a week and not drink otherwise, that’s still alcoholism, every time you drink you lose control of it.
You sound like someone who is defending their own bad habit and that doesn’t want to admit that it’s alcoholism.
Nope, that’s personal alcoholism.
I simply don’t believe that. But if they consider getting drunk once AUD, then that an absolutely useless piece of crap paper.
You sound like someone who is defending their own bad habit
That’s decidedly offensive, I drink on average the equivalent of 1 beer per day. I basically never get drunk, but it can happen, maybe a couple of times per year. I drink maybe 2 bottles of wine per month.
So there you go, but you sound like one who likes to make idiotic personal comments.Guess I’ll spoon feed you
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/understanding-alcohol-use-disorder
In the past year, have you:-Had times when you ended up drinking more, or longer, than you intended?
-More than once wanted to cut down or stop drinking, or tried to, but couldn’t?
-Spent a lot of time drinking, being sick from drinking, or getting over other aftereffects?
-Wanted a drink so badly you couldn’t think of anything else?
-Found that drinking—or being sick from drinking—often interfered with taking care of your home or family? Or caused job troubles? Or school problems?
-Continued to drink even though it was causing trouble with your family or friends?
-Given up or cut back on activities you found important, interesting, or pleasurable so you could drink?
-More than once gotten into situations while or after drinking that increased your chances of getting hurt (such as driving, swimming, using machinery, walking in a dangerous area, or unsafe sexual behavior)?
-Continued to drink even though it was making you feel depressed or anxious or adding to another health problem? Or after having had an alcohol-related memory blackout?
-Had to drink much more than you once did to get the effect you want? Or found that your usual number of drinks had much less effect than before?
-Found that when the effects of alcohol were wearing off, you had withdrawal symptoms, such as trouble sleeping, shakiness, restlessness, nausea, sweating, a racing heart, dysphoria (feeling uneasy or unhappy), malaise (general sense of being unwell), feeling low, or a seizure? Or sensed things that were not there?-Any of these symptoms may be cause for concern. The more symptoms, the more urgent the need for change.
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The guideline here is 3 standard drinks per day, more than that and you may be an alcoholic.
You can do the above within that limit.PS:
I think you have a problem with your shift key, you may want to consider buying a new keyboard. it looks pretty stupid with the jumbled writing.That’s… insane. If you’re drinking 3 alcoholic drinks per day you’re not considered an alcoholic?? That seems like an extremely warped view of alcohol vs every other drug.
Please note this is a maximum! And it’s STANDARD alcoholic drinks:
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/what-standard-drink
It’s not insane, it’s based on health impact, and probably the fact that 3 standard drinks don’t create dependency.
1 standard drink is broken down in the body in about 1 hour.This is according to Danish health authorities, 3 standard drinks for men and 2 for women per day on average is the max, it’s recommended to not exceed that. But even at maller levels, the principles I stated in my first post remain the same.
That defines the daily drinker, but a person who only indulges occasionally, but always gets hammered on those occasions, has a serious problem with alcohol as well. That’s a person who can’t control it, and lack of control is a problem.
I’ll stick to caffeine, thanks. An exacerbation of the problems I already have is absolutely not what I want.
Yeah. I lived through the 80s. Coke is BAD. Much worse than booze.
Now weed. That’s a perfect good.
Am I nuts, or would legal coke just result in people switching to meth and other amphetamines?
Idk. I have watched people discover Darknet markets for years now, and the most common line of thinking that I see whenever someone tries good cocaine for the first time is “I wish I could sustain this feeling for longer, and cheaper.” Everyone is always eventually disappointed by what cocaine can offer.
I think it’s bad for a very specific type of person, I found it to be pretty underwhelming - like a strong cup of coffee that makes your face numb.
Race numbing led to a lot of atrocities in Central and South America.
Back in my adventurous days, I tried lots of stuff, and I also found coke to be no big deal. It just didn’t do it for me. Neither did alcohol. Weed was my drug of choice, probably because I was a creative type, and weed inspired creativity more than any other substance.
Everybody wants something different from their drug of choice.
Hard disagree. Coke is certainly worse, although… nowhere nearly as destructive as meth or heroin/opioids.
With alcohol and tobacco being legal (and hardly regulated), it tough to draw any lines without seeming both hypocritical and illogical. And with cannabis gaining legality in more and more places, everyone is finally getting the concept that the War on Drugs was lost the day it started.
I’ve known people with extreme serious and terrible cohabits, but they were never any worse off and other people I knew who were professional drunks. And I would include myself in the number of people I know who continue to smoke for decades after knowing exactly how stupid the thing that is.
Ignorance of drugs is what is a problem in our society reacts to their youth. All of the propaganda for nearly a century has blasted everyone with the idea that any kind of drug use is necessarily evil and a gamble with death, even though that is very much not true.
If tobacco and alcohol remain legal, and especially with the growing trend of cannabis legalization, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to legalize possession of small amount of cocaine.
Again, I discussed how I think drugs like methamphetamine and heroin under the opioids should not be legalized, but prohibiting cocaine use, for example, has never decreased its usage. It’s just a tool for cops to Rob citizens, and then claim the spoils for themselves.
Cannabis doesn’t fit here, since it’s not s hard drug and has also beneficial effects when taken correctly.
Cocaine also has legitimate medical uses.
But medical use based on proper research, a medical examination and review / temporary in general is completely different from recreational use.
I’d argue cocaine is the worst drug of them all because it impacts decision making.
thus its being far more destructive …to others and way more subtle
(come on let me blame the drug, i hope there aren’t this many terrible people)
Good point, alcohol certainly doesn’t impact decision making. /s
All drugs impacted decision-making to some area, including alcohol
I’d say meth is much worse.
Is it legal in Colombia?
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I dunno if legally selling blow to the public is the right idea, but I also know a possession ticket/jail stint hasn’t deterred many coke heads either.
Hell yeah. Legalize it and my job will become a lot easier.
Are you a drug dealer?
Ehhhhhhhhhh, coke is a weird one.
I’m generally coherent on a lot of drugs and I retain my awareness. Coke? Nope! I’ll eventually black out and lose any sense of myself on it.
It’s fun, but damn if you won’t wake up somewhere and have no idea wtf is going on.
On alcohol, if I get too drunk, I’ll just fall asleep.
Add it to Coca-Cola like the good old days.
Imagine restaurants being BYOC
I like the cut of his jib!
I’m here for it
It would probably be sold at starbucks like coffee instead of like an alcohol.
Because it is everywhere and in everything, a lot of people underestimate how powerful caffeine is. Our tolerance is very high for that drug, if you were to give it to a person who’d never had caffeine before, a single cup or coffee would have them wired for hours and hours.
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