• Courtney (she/her/they) @lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The point of language is to convey meaning. Grammar is less important than what the speaker wants to tell other people.

    If this sentence, in context of a larger conversation, has meaning to the people listening to it, then congratulations! Rejoice, for communication has been achieved! Whether it was grammatically correct or not is irrelevant, because the intended target understands.

    Language changes over time. Nobody just decided to come up with modern English one day and it caught on, it’s a gross pot filled with words and grammar from many other languages (some more melted than others, so not really a melting pot), and mostly filtered from a language nobody speaks anymore.

    So having what are essentially arbitrary rules that dictate how things must always be for that language is already pretty dumb to me.

    • Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      But Escher sentences eschew that, because they are gramatically fine but convey no real meaning. Which is why a paradox like “this sentence is a lie” counts as one. And I like them because escher sentences are a rebel jist like me frfr

  • Kairos@lemmy.today
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    2 months ago

    This is perfectly sensical. The speaker owns less humans than have visited Berlin.

  • TheSlad@sh.itjust.works
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    The opposite is “garden path sentences” that seem incorrect or gibberish at first, but then make sense once you’ve correctly parsed them.

    “The old man the boat”

  • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
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    In German there is this one poem made of contradictions:

    Dunkel war’s, der Mond schien helle,
    als ein Auto blizeschnelle
    langsam um die runde Ecke bog.
    Drinnen sassen stehend Leute,
    schweigend ins Gespräch vertieft

    And I foget the rest…

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      Small correction (you missed a line and rhyme) plus additional lines. There are variations, I’m just reciting the one I know, as best as I know it.

      Dunkel war’s, der Mond schien helle,
      Schnee lag auf der Sommerflur
      als ein Auto blizeschnelle
      langsam um die runde Ecke fuhr.
      Drinnen sassen stehend Leute,
      schweigend ins Gespräch vertieft
      Als ein totgeschoss’ner Hase
      auf der Sandbank Schlittschuh lief.

      Und ein blondgelockter Jüngling
      mit kohlrabenschwarzem Haar
      saß auf einer grünen Banke,
      die rot angestrichen war.
      Neben ihm ne alte Schrulle,
      die grad siebzehn Jahr alt war,
      und sie aß 'ne Butterstulle
      die mit Schmalz bestrichen war.

      As for a translation, slightly liberal due to missing vocabulary:

      It was dark, the moon shone brightly
      snow covered the summer meadows
      when a car rapidly
      slowly rounded the curved corner
      Within, people sat standing
      in deep, silent conversation,
      when a rabit, shot dead,
      ice-skated on the sandbank

      And a blonde-curled youth
      with hair black as a raven
      sat on a green bench
      which was painted red.
      Next to him an old shrew,
      who was barely seventeen,
      and she ate a buttered bread
      with a spread of lard

  • Chrobin@discuss.tchncs.de
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    In German, we have “Nachts ist es kälter als draußen”, which means “at night, it’s colder than outside”

    • napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org
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      Escher sentences are ungrammatical because a matrix clause subject like more people is making a comparison between two sets of individuals, but there is no such set of individuals in the second clause.[5] For the sentence to be grammatical, the subject of the second clause must be a bare plural.[6] Linguists have marked that it is “striking” that, despite the grammar of these sentences not possibly having a meaningful interpretation, people so often report that they sound acceptable,[7] and that it is “remarkable” that people seldom notice any error.[5]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_illusion