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    23 days ago

    I can excuse racism and pedophilia, but my financial wellbeing is where I draw the line!

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      22 days ago

      Man, I mean, that kind of is the ugly truth, isn’t it? Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia if it means there’s a shot at personal gain. I’m not surprised, really, just wholly disgusted.

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        I know right? The dude said “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything” and ”I moved on her like a bitch.”

        When I heard that during his first campaign, I thought he was done, no one could possibly accept such deplorable behavior, right?

        …and here we are.

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      The thing is that a there’s actually a pretty big divide among MAGA now. Ever since Trump and his admin refused to release the Epstein files like promised, there’s a very big chunk of MAGA who went in uproar and rejected Trump. That chunk of MAGA which I would say is maybe around 1/3 of the base is disenfranchised because while they’re still MAGA in their beliefs, they no longer view Trump as a prophet like the rest of the base.

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      In the best scenario this is a wedge in what they believe. “If he lied about this… is he lying too about the rest?”

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        22 days ago

        He has lied about so much and been proven wrong, so sadly I doubt anyone will take that away from this

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      If more people actually worked like this, we’d have fewer issues. Rightwing policies are absolutely terrible for working class people, and workers far outnumbers the groups that would benefit financially from these policies (even when the people in power are somewhat more reasonable than Trump and don’t sacrifice the entire economy for their insider trading schemes).

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    Though I don’t feel bad for her, I would argue we should try to be nice. I’d rather have her see the light for the mistakes she made than her continuing being on the side of evil

    We need more people on the right side

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      She hasn’t changed. She’ll vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more surgical when it comes to hurting people they don’t like. This is her basically telling the party to reduce the collateral damage. The ideology that brought her to support them hasn’t changed.

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      She’s not and will never be an ally, she only voted to preserve her privilege with the hope of ruining the lives of those she considered undeserving. now she has lost some of her privilege, and now it is a problem for her.

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        Yeah, youre just her with a different coloured shirt on, mate. Youre just a hateful, spiteful little person spewing popular buzzwords like your internet uparrows mean anything.

        I mean, whats your endgame here? Round them up and deport them… You either pull your head out of your ass and accept that people are just people, and you forgive. Or, you keep on being a knob, and see where that gets you. Spoiler alert, nowhere good.

        Time to put the digital pitchforks down, and start fucking talking.

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          You can’t even bring together people who aren’t on Trump sides, so you are failing on your messaging from the start when it comes to your big proclamation of talking it out.

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            You dont have to come together, you just have to stop being cunts to each other. None of you are fucking evil. Just fucking talk!

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              You aren’t even doing a good job of getting non Trump supporters to agree with you.

              And if you don’t see supporting someone who wants to be a dictator, wants to get rid of minorities, hires white nationalists like Hegseth, threatens Canada’s independence, bombs Venezuelan boats, and has ties to the files as evil then what exactly is evil to you?

              Because a person who endorses that type of person and only complains when they are financially affected, but were happily cheering on the policies before hand sure seem evil to me. This isn’t like some disagreement about which food is better. What they fundamentally were in support of is red flags.

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          Nah, she is not and will never be an ally. the moment things are OK for her again she will be fine throwing us under the bus again. We need solidarity and a better country for everyone, not just for her or for “me”.

          I cared when minorities who arent me were tormented. every decent human did. she did not, she celebrated and caused that.

          What I want? to her to stay without friends or family and society to heal but her to die alone because everyone should know the horrors she intentionally caused on everyone.

          If trump steps down and becomes broke and poor and suddenly ask for help to the poor, would you accept him?

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            Dude, all you did was spout popular online thing. You dont give a fuck about the people who just want to earn a living, who dont have the time to worry about everyone else. You just make some wild claim about them, never once considering their circumstances. Talk about being privileged…

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              I work my ass off for local mutual aid to feed those trump has left behind and it truly breaks my heart knowing I will soon won’t be able afford food for that, as I can barely afford to feed myself. That’s besides all the marches and weekly protests and organising, and canvasing…

              Do you really think everyone is just selfish and cares only for themselves?

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          Was this your word choice for trying to get people to work together? Demeaning someone for demeaning someone while demanding they work together might not be the best route either. But I agree we need to find ways to build bridges or else we will never be able to make things better. As for deporting people though, there are some harsh actions that may be needed. I’m not saying it is the best route but the next president arresting supreme Court judges for taking bribes, executing them for treason without due process could cause chaos. It could also help pass legislation that makes the president not immune to illegal acts as the supreme Court ruled. It would force the legislature to make abuse of powers and more restrictions on the executive branch which to be honest, needs to have its powers shrunk drastically. The point of a Republic is for the peoples representatives to be empowered to write legislation that helps advance/give opportunities to as many people as possible supposedly “equally”, or at least fairly. But our executive branch having the ability to make executive orders completely undercuts all of that. If we don’t do away with executive orders I think if an executive order is issued it should run side by side with an impeachment. Where then they are voted on by Congress and if half of Congress votes no confidence that it was completely necessary for the safety of the nation, the President is immediately removed. (Different rules than impeachment/removal) obviously

          Aka, if there is an attack or something, they can make an executive order to respond before waiting for congress, but if congress feels it was misused, they are gone. No one should care who the president is, they should be a police officer in my mind. What they arrest someone for shouldn’t be their choice, nor any punishment be their choice. If you are found to fake evidence it should also be viewed as treason. Which would make any party fight to do away with capital punishment pretty quick, because they won’t want 7 members of their party getting the electric chair when they get caught up in lying to the public, like they do daily.

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            You cant work with someone who’s only concern is herself. she will throw you under the bus the moment she can.

            We need solidarity, not monsters who are now suffering the consequences of the policies they celebrated.

            Do you think we should have mercy for the Germans who supported the Nazis and celebrated the genocide but lost everything during the war?

            I am not saying to kill her, just that we should build a better world with our her consent. Let her live the rest of her life without family or friends and hated by everyone in the community.

            We must work together. but we cannot work with people who have created this nightmare, who celebrated it, and are only sad when they horrors inevitable reached them. not just a moral purity stance. they will betray you the moment it benefits them.

            You cannot build bridges with them, and if you do, don’t complain when they throw you under the bus.

            Now that being against trump is being defined as terrorism. you cannot bring in a MAGA, because they will rat you and your friends out in hopes to regain their status.

            Sorry if I am not at my most eloquent, it is late and I am very tired.

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        That’s literally how politics is supposed to work. People are a product of circumstance, and since there are a lot of people with different circumstances that constantly change, there’s going to be a competition of power. Democracy, as a concept, exists to facilitate this competition peacefully. People vote for their best interests, and politicians compete with each other to convince voters that they understand their circumstances and will do what’s in their best interest. If a voter feels like a politicians isn’t representing them anymore, they move to a different politicians that represents them better.

        You have to be some type of authoritarian to embrace the idea that people are inherently evil or their politics is immutable. If you reject the notion that people can change their views, compromise, or cooperate with each other then you’re fundamentally at odds with democracy, and YOU are the problem.

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          That is if you assume everyone is selfish and cares only for themselves. Solidarity exists. she only cared about herself, she did not care at all for anyone else who Trump promised to hurt.

          This is not how politics works, and if no one has empathy for anyone else and only cares from themselves, then society itself wont work.

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      In most free societies, an individual’s political beliefs are viewed as product of their circumstance, and since circumstances change for people all the time, their politics are also expected to change. The very concept of democracy revolves around the idea that people are able to change their opinions. This idea that politics is some sort immutable personality trait is only found among authoritarians because their ideologies are so rigid that they don’t leave any room for nuance.

      Your opinion here is shouldn’t even be argued. It should be the standard for any individual who genuinely believes in the concept of democracy.

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      She won’t, she will betray you the moment it benefits her.

      She will rat you and whoever you are organized with to the state in hopes to regain her status.

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    I cannot bring myself to believe that this is real. The only way I can believe someone so eloquent of a writer would believe Trump is if they are in on it and it seems she’s not a billionaire. Also, I don’t think people who would vote for Trump 3 times would ever have the ability to reflect and change their view on him.

    If they would be capable of that, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.

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      For me it was how easily they slipped in the phrase “Epstein shutdown” that gave it away. That just seems so clearly phrased by someone who always hated Trump cosplaying as victim of a face eating leopard.

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      Don’t doubt the human capacity for self reflection deception. I’ve met quite a few of articulate imbeciles who voted orange.

      Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.

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        Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.

        This shit is why I never use autocorrect. It’s way too easy to end up saying this kind of absurd garbage, some typos and typing slightly slower can never be as bad as that. And I’m already the type who might forget a “not” and thus say the complete opposite of what I intended …

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      If she saw the future she’d still vote for Trump. The core ideology is something she agrees with and is happy with many of the policies being carried out. She’s just not happy about the random way it is being carried out that is leading to collateral damage to groups of her kind that weren’t supposed to be affected.

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    I frequently chat with my neighbor who is a Q-class Trumper. Over the past year, I’ve been able to observe the leopards licking his face as if I were filming a nature documentary in 4k. We actually get along great. I like having a window into whatever inane, batshit information he consumes, and he really enjoys my company, as I don’t outwardly judge him, and I listen. Naturally, he’s on disability and dependent upon the state. As such, he’s running low on funds and needs to move in a couple months.

    We had elections this past week in my state. I told him that I voted, and he offered up some excuses as to why he can’t make it to the polls. We tend not to directly discuss politics, because I told him a long time back that I’m still salty about Bernie. Deep down, he knows that we don’t align, but he doesn’t want to rock the boat. I give his pets treats. I give him treats. He occasionally mentions various religion-based conspiracies and alludes to looming conflict and the criminality of the left, but he’s become more mum on this front. I think, the gears may be turning in his head.

    I don’t have any grand insights with which to conclude my anecdote. I give the guy a 30-70 chance of rediscovering reality. But, by being nice to the dude, I do think his chances are much better than they would be had I ignored him the past few years.

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      But your story just continues to show that nobody with such strong opinions seem to care until it directly effects them. In your case, it sounds like they are right on the border of realizing this. It just sucks that this is what it takes for them to even consider this.

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        It’s tragic, yes. But, don’t underestimate the effects of propaganda, repeat exposures that dwarf my face time with the guy. He doesn’t have my range of experience. He’s just a lonely, 50-something man that’s had more negative than positive experiences in life. He has tunnel vision.

        In my mind, he’s responsible for his choices and frame-of-mind. But that’s not going to stop me from sharing my perspective without confronting or proselytizing. Insecurity is a mother fucker.

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          Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.

          I was raised white Christian nationalist, although we didn’t call it that and I wouldn’t have realized that’s what I was. I was taught all the conservative bullshit, both politically and socially. Thankfully there was always a part of me that was like “something isn’t right here” and I kept my mouth shut and was never the bully going around mouthing off to gay kids or minorities, but I definitely thought things like “being gay is a choice” and “poor people should just work harder” and “abortion is something welfare queens do” but also “welfare queens have lots of babies for more money”.

          Being around people like you who were nonjudgmental and just talked about their point of view and occasionally gently challenged my beliefs without being confrontational opened my worldview and helped give me the courage to listen to the voice in my head that was saying something felt wrong with the belief system I was raised in. I’d always been taught things like liberals were stupid and lacked critical thinking skills and acted solely on emotions and I was young and kept in a bubble and was dumb enough to believe it until I started meeting people who proved otherwise. That was enough to start the cracks forming that eventually shattered the entire wall of lies. I’m now a raging socialist and I don’t care how people live their lives as long as they aren’t harming anyone else. I don’t think I would have ended up that way if I wasn’t someone who is willing to think for myself and who isn’t afraid to be the “black sheep”, because leaving that mindset lost me my family, but I definitely wouldn’t have ever been able to start down the path I’m on if I was never exposed to people like you who started showing me the lies in the first place.

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            Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.

            100%. Honestly more than anything were suffering a large scale collapse of community. First, the highway system and cars came in and carved up large-scale communities. Everyone riding around in their own personal pods, not having to interact with anyone else.

            Then the internet comes in, allowing anyone and everyone to find material that conforms and confirms their biases. Forget about going out and touching grass. Has anyone spent any actual time in an average day brushing elbows with hundreds of strangers and holding casual conversations. Nothing stops stupid behaviors faster than being judged by the community around you.

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              That’s what fixed the rest of what was left of my toxic worldview. I started working in healthcare. I’ve treated people from all over the world. I’ve treated people who speak so many different languages. I’ve treated people of all religions. I’ve treated different gender identities and sexual preferences. I’ve treated people I knew were rapists or murderers (fucking worst, but you grit your teeth and treat them like human beings who need healthcare). I’ve treated so many refugees from various places (love the refugees, keep them in the US!)

              All of them are just people. I’ve met a lot of really shitty people and a lot of really good people. It’s hard to hate a group of people when you meet individuals from a particular subset and realize they have the same hopes and fears as you. At the end of the day, we all just want to go to our respective homes and be safe and loved and alive and there shouldn’t be anything political about that.

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      Is this not normal? If you treat people kindly and with respect, they’re more likely to respect you back and treat you kindly. This common courtesy establishes a level of trust where others are more willing to listen to what you have to say. This is the only way people can ever change their minds.

      I have never seen any instance of anyone changing their minds because others were demonizing them and making fun of them. I feel like the people who advocate for others to be dicks to people like this guy tend to be major assholes themselves, and these people are big part of the problem. Yet that views is becoming more and more common. So props to you for treating this guy like person, you might think much of it, but your interactions with him might very well be the reason why he even has the chance of coming around.

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      You may not realize it but you’re humanizing “the left” for him. Its probably keeping him somewhat grounded.

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    The rest was rich, though.

    Children are starving due to no fault of their own. Senior citizens are going without their medications just so they can afford to eat.

    Politely shut the fuck up.

    We see you.

    Starting when?

    Do they ever own up to their poor judgement flying in the face of all the blatant, nonstop bullshit since before he began?

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      Children are starving due to no fault of their own because of me. Senior citizens are going without their medications just so they can afford to eat because of me.

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    Cute, but of course it’s fake, a ‘feel-good’ post for the left. Some of the phrasing (‘we see you’, ‘Sit down’, etc) exposes this as someone on the left impersonating a magat. MAGA simply does not talk like that.

    Look at the profile and timeline. It’s all anti-trump, anti-repub stuff, just done in a way to sound like coming from a conservative POV. No posts bashing Democrats which a real maga account would definitely have.

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      Maybe, but there is a genuine shift among the right where they’re turning against Trump. Trump has been relevant in politics for a decade, and I have never, ever seen a bigger uproar against him within the right than when refused to release the Epstein files. That was the very first time that I thought “oh shit, this is different”

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      Yes, but also, there should be a cutoff date. Like, you can’t repent once the gears are in motion, the train’s going 100 mph, and you see the clear writing on the wall, you know? This is still within those limits. It seems earnest IMO.

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        said in another comment:

        I do not seek vengeance, but that does not mean forgiveness.

        We must build a better world without their input or consent. we must have a world where everyone is free and have access to a dignified life. But that does not mean to forgive them let alone forget what they did. They should have access to the same lives everyone else have access to, but they will do so without friends, without family, with everyone spiting them. They have proven themselves to be selfish sociopaths, and even if you were to be foolish enough to forgive them, you should not forget that they are selfish and will likely throw you to the wolves if it benefits them.

        This is for the average MAGA voter. for those who joined ICE, or were Pundits, or directly involved in the regime. Jail. Do you think we should have pardoned everyone in the Nuremberg trials?

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      The reason why history closed the chapter of tankies pretty firmly in the 20th century is because it became apparent to people all over the world that the revolution is fueled by hateful, spiteful, and ignorant individuals like you who seek vengeance, destruction, and misery under the guise of dreamy ideals. In other words you and Trump aren’t too different in this regard.

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        I do not seek vengeance, but that does not mean forgiveness.

        We must build a better world without their input or consent. we must have a world where everyone is free and have access to a dignified life. But that does not mean to forgive them let alone forget what they did. They should have access to the same lives everyone else have access to, but they will do so without friends, without family, with everyone spiting them. They have proven themselves to be selfish sociopaths, and even if you were to be foolish enough to forgive them, you should not forget that they are selfish and will likely throw you to the wolves if it benefits them.

        This is for the average MAGA voter. for those who joined ICE, or were Pundits, or directly involved in the regime. Jail. Do you think we should have pardoned everyone in the Nuremberg trials?