So they’re torturing her. Israel is torturing her.
Israel has no way to win in this situation. Torturing her will result in media backlash. Executing her would only make a martyr, which is even worse. Somehow, Israel didn’t choose to kick her out immediately.
The worst thing Israel could have done to discredit Greta Thunberg and damage her brand would have been to give her a nice meal, a warm bed in a nice hotel, gently push her onboard the next 1st class flight back to Stockholm the next day and release a statement telling her to go play SJW somewhere else. Instead, they’re doing everything possible to confirm they’re truly bad people, like dumbasses.
Being plain evil without pretending otherwise has worked out just fine until now, why would they stop?
True.
And I think I have an explanation for that:
We do not often read how Israeli politicians talk, verbatim*. They got used responding only to their own media landscape, where apparently they can go much farther in their rhetoric (and subsequent actions) without repercussions. There’s also some deep-seated misogyny specifically against women of other race/religion or however they define that for themselves. Like, they’d never do that if she was a typical NY Jew, for example.
Of course that isn’t the whole picture; we must also look at the unquestioning support they’ve been getting from most “Western” countries which no doubt contributed to them developing this sort of impunity.
* Netanyahu often speaks English when addressing the world. It’s still bad enough, but it allows him to present a different picture to the world than to his constituency.
Exactly! They picked one of the foolish routes instead.
They realize that kicking her out just means she will be on her way back on the next boat. They are trying to intimidate her into not coming back.
I hope the Swedish government has a harsh answer for one of their citizens getting kidnapped in International Waters.
One they haven’t given for genocide?
Yes, because she is swedish
That they failed to apply last time she was “detained” by Israel?
They could publicly execute her and governments around the world would still support them.
Well some of them would, because that’s how international politics works. However, a surprising number of countries have recognized Palestine, so I think the number of friends Israel has might be in a decline.
Israel has no way to win in this situation.
They could have not taken her hostage.
But then more people might be willing to risk it and ride in aid. Israel definitely doesn’t want that. (Not saying it’s a good thing just the optics would cause them just as many problems)
She’s probably just a useful idiot. Might be useful to interrogate her and get whoever got her to do this.
It’s the latter, I have this user tagged.
Now I do too
Do you have any theories as to who…uh…put her up to this?
Nothing great. Could be Zaher Birawi working with Hamas, but that information could also be another propaganda bit.
Maybe but blah blah Israel reasons we gotta torture her. Sure you understand blah blah
Paris is torturing everyone too.
It’s a genocide.
What deranged nonsense are you even blathering about?
The Swedish government, and the EU commission is not making nearly enough noise as it should here.
Conservative Swedish PM (
PrimePretend Minister) “Jam For Spine” Kristersson is known for both his mental laziness and fear of conflicts. He’s still remembered for fleeing a room, literally running, when confronted by a journalist about his personal shady deals.Kowtowing to israel? Imagine.
Since Greta waived her right to immediate deportation and chose to remain in detention, I’m not sure what you are expecting the Swedes to do.
That doesn’t absolve them of responsibility for her welfare.
At the very least, under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, Swedish diplomats have the right to visit Thunberg, verify her condition, and ensure she’s being treated according to international standards. Continuing to monitor the situation like this makes sure that Thunberg is not feeling isolated and makes sure her captors do not get any (further) funny ideas.
For another, there are all sorts of pressure tactics they can use, if her welfare is danger. They could summon the Israeli ambassador to formally express concern, they can push the European Commission and the EU’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs to issue a joint statement or demand investigation into her treatment.
Israel is a terrorist country.
Am I wrong in saying they’re (seemingly) quantifiably worse than every other “terrorist” country in the region? I know plenty have human rights issues, but I can’t imagine anyone is competitive on sheer quantity of murder and atrocities!?
There are no others actively perpetrating genocide on the massive scale Israel is. Morally and legally that puts Israel in a class of its own.
But they’re more friendly to Christians, which is all the West cares about
They’re not even… They are murdering Palestinian Christians right alongside the Muslims.
American Christians only care about Israel’s role in the “end times.”
Do they purposely use the worst photos of her?
Just Crimes Against Humanity Things.
It’s literally genocide
There are no doubts.
The full on attempt to suppress the fact has failed.
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a “good” treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
Do you have any evidence to support that or are you just using conjecture? I don’t have a dog in the fight, but you’re literally making shit up out of thin air. Given how persistent bed bugs are I would imagine they are a significant problem in any prison in the world. Keeping bed bugs out is probably like trying to keep a cold/flu/covid out of any concentrated living facility (prison, nursing home, welfare home, or homeless shelter).
If hotels struggle to prevent bed bugs then you can be assured that prisons will too. If you’re gonna peacefully protest with the knowledge that you will be detained then you should also know that you’re gonna deal with jail/prison conditions which include bed bugs.
There’s literally a fucking Wikipedia article you genocide denying troll. Here’s all the rape you can stomach!
In its June 2024 investigative report, the UN’s Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory (CoI) concluded: “The frequency, prevalence and severity of sexual and gender-based crimes perpetrated against Palestinians since 7 October across the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) indicate that specific forms of Sexual and gender-based violence (SGBV) are part of Israeli Security Forces (ISF) operating procedures.”
Nursing homes and welfare homes are good at getting rid of bedbug infestations. Jails on the other hand don’t have political or financial incentive to spend money on prisoners so they allow people to suffer.
And Israel’s sexual torture of Palestinian detainees is well documented with even video evidence shown on TV.
Nursing homes and welfare homes are good at getting rid of bedbug infestations
They’re only good at it because without getting rid of bed bugs no one would choose to live there. If prisoners got to pick between prisons that had bed bugs and those that didn’t I would imagine prisons would get good at removing them as well.
And Israel’s sexual torture of Palestinian detainees is well documented with even video evidence shown on TV.
Ok, then give some evidence to support that, that’s what I asked for.
You don’t believe in privilege? Do you really think the people the news don’t name get the same treatment?
Can’t you see that that is a very different argument? Just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell doesn’t prove that other prisoners have worse conditions. The OP said:
As a foreign famous activist she probably has a “good” treatment for a detainee. Imagine what the Gazan child hostages go through in Israeli prisons (spoiler: reported electrical shock torture and sexual crimes)
So the OP has setup a binary situation where Greta is getting bed bugs while Gazan’s are getting electrical shock torture and sexual crimes. I asked if the OP has any evidence to that because they created a false equivalency. Just because one prisoner has bed bugs doesn’t mean everyone else is getting electro shocked and raped.
So you are asking: what are the odds of the genocidal regime known for human rights violations violating the rights of people without the protection of the public eye?
Surely they are more comfortable than Greta. That is the logical conclusion. /s
No, you’re making a lot of unsubstantiated statements. Am I willing to believe that Greta is being treated differently than Gazan prisoners? Yeah, I can believe that. I could also believe that Greta is being treated similarly to how anyone without Hamas affiliations would be treated. What I don’t believe is that just because Greta has bed bugs in her cell Gazans are getting raped and electro tortured. Like I said, I don’t have a dog in the fight, but just because Greta is being treated like a prisoner doesn’t mean she’s being treated differently than other prisoners. Furthermore, having bed bugs doesn’t mean shit when bed bugs are a problem in every prison. Having bed bugs doesn’t mean other people are getting raped and electro shock tortured unless you have some evidence of that, which is the evidence I asked for.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno
This is probably the report they are talking about.
Trigger warning because there is a graphic picture and descriptions of multiple graphic situations.
Let me just say, earnestly, THANK YOU. I haven’t read your link yet, but you are the first person to respond with an actual response to the given question. I’m gonna take a few minutes to read what you linked, if I have any thought’s I’ll post an edit.}
EDIT: This is disturbing news, but it’s hardly evidence of systemic actions. I like the BBC a lot, but the testimonies given aren’t surprising. I’m all for condemning the actions stated, but they are also second hand accounts. For example the account of sexual misconduct comes from only one person interviewed. I’m not unwilling to believe that some Israeli’s have done something illegal, but I’m not surprised either. Rage all anyone might want but the laws of war only matter if someone is willing to enforce them and it seems like the world won’t enforce them here, much to my disappointment.
Are we ready to believe victims now? Are we ready to act?
Greta <3
She’s got balls. Straight dude here, love her.
why did you need to announce you are a straight dude? 🤣
straight dudes do be lovin their balls.
I read it as saying she is a “straight up dude”. Was that not the intention?
No. I love her.
I announced she had balls, then announced I love her. I do, she’s tough af
I appreciate your message but you can say that she has guts, has courage, etc. No need to compare women to men when courage is something anyone can have.
Israel has their buddy America to back them up.
More than a buddy… America is the reason they are capable of any of this. It’s disgusting what the failed leadership here has allowed, and Trump has opened every single floodgate in his second term, empowering them like never before.
Exactly the kind of thing Israel would do. Such a horrible nation, such horrible people.
Like that time they used an armored water cannon full of stinky shit… Or the time they cut the tail off a CIA agents pet dog.
they also put their dogs on drugs and then let the dogs rape prisoners and mual them to death. horrible eye-whitness accounts of these are all over youtube.
Sooo is anyone gonna do anything here? I know USA would back up Israel here but, like, someone help?
They will be treated kinda badly in order to encourage them to not get on the next set of boats coming down, then they will be released.
Some will rejoin the next flotilla will which will hopefully be a hundred boats or more and maybe some of the countries will provide naval cover to stop the drones from attacking them on the seas.
The rogue terrorist state of Israel commited piracy.
I bet those bedbugs were vectors for some type of bioweapon so they could eliminate their greta problem. She needs to get checked out by a trusted physician asap.
Dude. They’re bedbugs. We don’t need extra shit on top.
Israel’s military intelligence apparatus constantly sets the bar for sleazy low life behavior. This is a military that put out s propaganda campaign legitimizing the rape of illegaly detained Palestinians. I would not put biological warfare beyond their means and intent
Okay, but why make it up when you have no evidence? Typically that’s a strategy that works more for them than against.
“See? This isn’t true. What else are they lying about?”
She deserves it. How dare she care for others like that? We don’t take kindly to people caring about others around here. /s
