Any decent person would, upon realizing that a gesture they made at a huge public event was being interpreted as a Nazi salute, simply make an announcement on the social media website they own explaining it was not their intent, what their actual intent was.
To my knowledge musk did none of this and was actually kind of coy about it? That’s enough to assume it was intended as a Nazi salute.
Just want to point out there’s a mirror to this meme where zionists who want him to lose and leftists who want him to lose shake hands
yeah and it would be found on the DNC facebook page
lmao you are functionally a DNC stooge; you literally prefer if the ultra-zionist won
Like wtf are you talking about, I hate to break to you BUT the DNC zionists are on your side of the bleachers
You could also do that with both Zionists and leftists thinking the Holocaust was bad
Considering most zionists are Christian dominionists, no, I don’t think you can do that
i thought “hexbear.net” was the handshake & was confused
I always hated this guy, but that’s mainly because I hate the troops.
Based.
Exactly. idgaf about a tattoo compared to being a marine
but once a marine always a marineyou should probably gaf about nazi tattoos
[compared to being a marine]
I’m so fucking sick of hearing about this guy, both from people who hate him and people who love him.
Either he wins or he doesn’t. I don’t live in Maine, I have no input on the matter. His main opponent dropped out so he probably will.
If he wins, I hope he supports the policies he claims to. I don’t live in Maine, so I have no influence on whether he does or doesn’t
I mean, he’s a Maine character
it’s not about the race per se, it’s about whether nazi blackwater mercenaries who say they oppose arming israel are acceptable to “the left”
His main opponent dropped out so he probably will.
His Maine opponent dropped out so he probably will.
Thank you, I almost spelled it that way but decided against it lmao
yeah would really love to further increase military spending! Really hopes he gets in to do that progressive promise!
DO YOU CONDEMN PLATNER?!
It is crazy how he went from some guy I maybe heard a streamer mention like once to one of the most talked about candidates in the entire internet left-sphere.
Like I recall subs I’m on having whole struggle sessions about this dude and I was just like “idk how the fuck this even is”.
it would go away instantly if the succ faction of the US left would stop defending him
Here’s the thing, how many of us live in Maine? Not enough to swing the election either way I’m sure. Whether he gets condemned or defended literally affects nothing to Jack shit.
That’s not what is relevant about him. Discussing any electoralism anywhere in this country is a waste of time for everyone invovled. The reason why he’s worth discussing is because it outs closet nazis and chauvinists. Anyone who defends Platner and says stuff like “I don’t care what he thinks, as long as he votes for healthcare!” can be placed on a list for re-education or wall after the revolution. Discussing him is helpful in left spaces for identifying those in need of education and bullying. Every person defending him would vote for Hitler. He’s a literal litmus test for identifying AOCIA types and social fascists.
This is the one good thing about his campaign tbh. All these radlibs showing their true colors to defend him.
Well if I lived in Maine I wouldn’t vote for him.
DOES NOT MATTER. VOTING DOES NOT MATTER.
What matters is “socialists” burning their reputations to uphold a literal Nazi war criminal for NO REASON. The problem is people here, and in other left spaces, making up excuses for nazism. What matters is the huge portion of the “western left” who are actual social fascists, and this is a very easy way to tell them apart from the real ones.
What matters is that every “socialist” in America pushing Platner needs to be added to a list of DO NOT TRUST.
Well I don’t support him either. I just don’t put much mental energy towards him at all.
I’ll be honest idk what the fuck the guys angle is. Like is he just a straight up fascist doing entryism or is he just a weird dumbass with incoherent politics (not like we got a lot of those in the glorious U$A)? Regardless he seems like a bad guy who’s not worth anyone’s support.
And yet the western left doesn’t spend 2 seconds before condemning Hamas.
I have never condemned Hamas so please leave me alone.
Many on this site did. People who are now mods called Hamas and Hezbollah fascist on October 1, 2023. They were upvoted and the person they argued against was permanent banned.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4036177
In addition, people who have defended Mamdani, AOC, Platner and Sanders and electoralism generally remain a large part of the userbase who only sour long after the obvious occurs.
https://hexbear.net/post/6442067
Just search Mamdani or Fetterman or Platner in search, sort by old, and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Originally these people were popular to mildly controversial and anybody calling them out was seen as a “crank”.
There was contentious threads on Platner on this site with struggle session rainbow lines and hundreds of comments. People arguing seriously that he didn’t know about the Nazi tattoo he got in Croatia.
https://hexbear.net/post/6495410
Are we going to look inwards about this type of chauvinistic behavior? Can we reflect or just continue being smug and pretending we were always correct and didn’t repeatedly ban and ostracize the people who were actually correct.
But I will never let the overwhelming majority of the western left and progressive liberals forget this.
“Ummm actshually they are homophobic Islamofascist”
I really don’t care what his personal beliefs are. His internal monologue could be non-stop hitler quotes for all i care - if he only votes for progressive policies and doesn’t do fascist things, whatever goes on in his head or whatever he has done in his past is his business. He’d be doing something to impede fascism, and that’s good. Is it sus? Yes. But I dont need to be his friend. I also don’t live in maine. I just need him to take the right actions.
this is just lazy nazi apologia. you are selling your soul for electoralism, ie nothing. If you’re going to compromise your morals, why not do it for something actually effective instead of AOCIA 3.0
Nope. Because I don’t think the democratic party is going to be effective. But if this guy is going to do progressive things that make even a marginal impact, but has sketchy vibes, I will take that over the ultra-corpratist establishment dem he was running against. If it turns out that he’s fetterman 2, well that’s bad. But if you believe electoralism is ineffective, then it doesnt really matter either way.
To the extent that electoralism is effective, which isn’t much, the lesser of 2 evils is still the right choice. So I’d rather see platner than a republican because, per what he’s said he will do, it is a better outcome.
I do not see voting as compromising morals in any way. Voting is 100% harm reduction and a defense against encroaching fascism. It is not very effective in general, but it is something. And it is obviously not a substitute for direct action, organizing, donating, etc. for effective socialist orgs/causes
Voting is 100% harm reduction and a defense against encroaching fascism.
Just friendly reminder this is a thread about a Nazi tattoo haver who was bodyguard at the fucking Abu-Ghraib and doesn’t even pretend to be repentant about it.
bodyguard at the fucking Abu-Ghraib
No he wasn’t, his unit did a one-time patrol in the vicinity of the prison when it was attacked in 2005 (still a horrendous act defending that death camp) but he wasn’t stationed there, nor was he one of the torturers; it was simply notable because it was his first combat experience.
He was a bodyguard who worked for a successor subsidiary of Blackwater for an ambassador in the embassy in Kabul, and that six-month experience supposedly radicalized him
doesn’t even pretend to be repentant about it.
Except he routinely does pretend to be repentant about it, this right here is the disconnect, you ultras wants us to join the great anti-Platner crusade, as if he’s the greatest threat to the left in this country, but you can’t even get basic facts about this asshole correct, and the rest of us are just supposed to pretend like you all don’t have egg on your face.
Like, why do I have more accurate information about this cracker when you’re the ones so up in arms? Sorry, but your unseriousness is showing
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
There is no evil too great for Democrats to claim is the ‘lesser evil’. There is no bottom, there is no floor. The dead-end Liberal “harm reduction” shit always results in this race to the bottom of depravity, it’s a fundamentally bad political analysis that keeps being endlessly entertained by the western left.
If you are anti-electoralist, how is that argument coherent? Can you explain what the harm is in voting for the lesser evil (even if they’re still bad) if you’re not treating it as your only level of political involvement?
Senators can literally just serve on committees and vote for bills. Are you worried he will not vote the way he says he will? Or is this about not electing someone with a bad past/values? Or is the concern he is not actually on the left (broadly, he’s obviously not a socialist)?
Because if you’re an anti-electoralist:
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worrying about him having legislative power is a bit odd, you don’t believe in the electoral process.
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worrying about his past & values is either just about not liking the guy (fine, I don’t either I think he’s sus) or a concern about the way he’d vote - which again, doesn’t make sense
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worrying about himnnot actually being on the left (fetterman 2.0) is competely valid, but… again… this is a concern about how he’d vote and the issues he’d support.
I do not like Platner. I think he’s a very sketchy dude. If I were in Maine, voting for him would feel bad. What I am concerned about is the left purity testing itself so hard it purity tests shitty liberal senators from small states who say they want to make some small stand against fascist policies, war, and the capitalist class. I think it is counterproductove and a waste of time.
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Don’t get me wrong, that is despicable. But I stand by what I said: I would rather someone with an extremely fucked up past be in that office if they will enact progressive legislation that will reduce harm in the present/future.
I am very skeptical given his past. But 1) can he do significantly more harm as senator than Collins? I doubt it. 2) are his stated policy goals of taxes on the wealthy, single payer health care, opposing war in Iran, abolishing ICE, etc. good? Yes. It is good to have someone in that office who will vote for those things (IF he actually will). Those things would be good for marginalized groups and bad for the fascists. That is all I care about as far as electoralism goes.
The worst case scenario is he’s exactly as bad as his opponents openly claim they will be
The opposition from the left is a moral one based on the sketchy shit about him. He’s running for senate. He can serve on committees and write bills. That’s the extent of it. What are folks worried he’d actually do?
Opposition from the right is that he’ll vote for the progressive things he says he will.
Left is concerned about who he is (purity testing), the right is concerned about what he’d do (because it’d be bad for them).
Nazi apologia for a war criminal child murderer. You are becoming scum for no reason, you realize that right? You are lowering yourself to nazism for a 0% at healthcare lmao. It’s so pathetic.
Ok well by that logic you want the ultra-Zionist to win and anti-zionism to be discredited as a campaign strategy. Two can play the righteous moralism game
Oh hey look it’s one of the Platner defenders!
https://hexbear.net/modlog?commentId=6605763
You’ve had comments removed for doing exactly what you are doing now, downplaying Nazism and sporting nazi tattoos, yet you keep doing it. Zioran dead-ender social fascist. Having Marx in your name is a fucking joke, you should change it to Bernard.
All the obsessed stalker posts in the world doesn’t change the fact you want the ultra-zionist to win
Thesis + antithesis = synthesis
Nazi billionaire republican + Nazi tattoo democrat war enjoyer = gee we live in a country that is waaaay too comfortable with Nazi shit among us
My favorite song by Blackwater Oyster Kulak is Don’t Fear the Wrecker.
doesn’t the dem establishment hate him?
The Bernie Stay-Behind Network (aka the Left-Wing of the Social Fascists) are all-in on him, every single person tangentially connected to “progressive” DNC politics have all gone full Nazi to defend him.
Only the Zionist dems. The socdem dems in senate and democratic voters love him.
