I hope we all know this and are just doing it as a bit, but sometimes I do see shit on this website that makes me go “Oh y’all are genuinely just weird prudes”
The “gooner epidemic” is not real, gooning is an incredibly niche kink that very few people engage in.
“Porn addiction” is basically non existent and affects such a small portion of the population as to not be relevant. The idea that most people have in their heads about porn addiction is propaganda made up by evangelicals.
We do not live in an overly-sexually-liberated time. There is not an excess of sexual content or exposure to it.
Most of the time when people talk about “the gooner problem” what they’re actually talking about is a mix of two unrelated things, people living normal sexually liberated lives, and undersocialized young men that don’t know how to interact with people.
Sex is good. We should be having more of it. We should encourage healthy, safe sex featuring whatever kinks you and your partner(s) consent to. Don’t fall for puritan propaganda comrades.
Volcel vanguard has nothing to with gooning. It came about because redditors are mostly porn-brained males that can’t stop making spaces on reddit uncomfortable for women at literally every single opportunity. Volcel vanguard spawned as a meme to shame people and counter that on the CTH subreddit.
It is useful and it is good and people absolutely do need to be told to shut the fuck up about it or else you end up with spaces that are made entirely uncomfortable for everyone else.
yah it’s always funny whenever i see someone complain about this because it serves a really useful purpose.
I’m ace and while I do look at horny images from time to time, full-on pornography or sexually explicit talk still grosses me out, I sometimes feel prudish or childish about that as a result.
I feel in a weird place when all this talk is made about normalising sex while being sex-negative, I don’t want to push my preferences on all of society, y’know?
Whenever I personally referenced the “volcel poIice” meme it was intended to be lighthearted, a friendly reminder that it got weird in a way that could give a chuckle.
Whenever I personally referenced the “volcel poIice” meme it was intended to be lighthearted, a friendly reminder that it got weird in a way that could give a chuckle.
I’m also asexual, and I think I always saw it that way?
I think it’s helpful to frame it in terms of a cultural context.
For instance, Japan has a squeezable tanuki testicle toy for kids, whereas that probably wouldn’t fly in the US (admittedly, the US doesn’t have very many tanuki either) because the culture sexualizes just the mere existence of genitals, so people start acting weird if you bring it up that things like that exist in other countries.
I would guess “normalizing sex” is probably more about the euphemisms and weird ways to talk about it while pretending to dance around it. As much as we should fight against compulsory sexuality that not everyone needs to have sex all the time, I think it’s counterproductive to take the Texas “abstinence only STD roulette wheel” sex ed approach that isn’t really helping anyone.
In any case, I think that the meme’s intended function of filtering out creeps is probably a good thing if it works, but I’m probably least qualified to speak on that.
I’ve often heard the notion that Japan is more lax on sexual content or less puritanical more broadly. I would be fine with that if pop culture wasn’t infested with fan service and stuff like designing young female characters with intentionally tintillating combination of ultra-short skirts and thigh highs. Too many times where I get curious about an anime and find out it’s horny for no good reason. It’s often in a very immature way too, it has the vibe of naughty teenage boys.
I can’t shake off the idea that a lot of it is just cultural reinforcement of the patriarchy, asserting male authority over women by inherently sexualising every aspect of them.
I think consent is very important in this discussion, so much stuff happens involuntarily. I don’t want to immediately look at a woman’s butt or boobs when seeing one, it feels gross and insulting to her and I can’t imagine how women especially have to navigate such a landscape.
I wasn’t trying to make a broader claim about Japan, just on that one thing specifically, and there are surely plenty of other examples like that Denmark children’s TV show that apply equally well to make the point I meant to make.
I see your point about the patriarchy. There are definitely concerning things which I would prefer not to learn more about if possible.
I think consent is very important in this discussion, so much stuff happens involuntarily.
This. Consent goes both ways…
I wasn’t trying to make a broader claim about Japan, just on that one thing specifically
I just wanted to vent about it, because it has made me hypervigilant about any pervy shit in Japanese media.
I had heard before about that Danish tv show. Part of what frustrates me with current discourse is how the female body in particular gets… mysticised I guess. Like there’s all the teasing about showing as much as possible but not those areas, then you see a woman actually bare-chest and it’s: “oh, I guess her nipples are bigger”. On the other end, I personally get discomforted by a visible… uh… “penile bulge”. I don’t really like to think about the stuff that goes on down there…
I still wrestle with how much I should write that off as childish sensibilities.
I get that, and the feeling childish about it, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Like the other thread mentions, it’s a bit acephobic that it feels unacceptable to not want to have anything to do with it personally.
That’s an interesting point to consider… I wonder why it is like that
[I didn’t actually say much of anything here but I think I was being kinda combative for no reason at all, immediately regretted after hitting post.]
I understand where you were coming from and it’s a complex topic. I struggle with the topic myself and how to read my aversion to sex stuff (I think the main reasons are that as a cis male sexual arousal makes me afraid of hurting others, plus I get creeped out by many parts of human biology, I could never perform surgeries)
Ok that article sent me on a journey into Japanese toy culture
Japan is probably not a good example to use for a healthy liberated sexual culture
Yes. I didn’t intend to claim that but I’m leaving the comment up so the other ones make sense. I only used these specific examples because I already knew about them.
Do you know of any actually good examples of cultures as a whole that are?
I would say East Germany before the collapse of the USSR off the top of my head
Yep. There’s other spaces where folks can be horny and cringe. Here though, it’s about dialectical materialism.
Just look at many DSA chapters lol
Thank you for the straightforward explanation
Sex is not bad, nor is being sexually liberated.
However sex and sexuality as it it treated under our current society is highly misogynistic and exploitative.
“Oh stop being a prude” is definitely a phrase uttered to many young women in the entertainment industry to shame her into exploiting her body for capital.
“sex and sexuality as it it treated under our current society is highly misogynistic and exploitative.” Repeat this again. I cannot say I know how women feel but from what those close to me say its a catch 22 for em in a lot of social situations in and out of the entertainment industry.
Still upset at the kids for sexualizing the word Goon.
I can no longer call me and my possee the Goon squad
Here it still means cheap wine
Sex is good. Porn is often not.
Other than a lot of porn being exploitative in it’s production, overconsumption of porn is very common, and often contributes to people having weird attitudes to over sexualising women.
It fucks with your reward system. You can absolutely become addicted. It’s not a particularly healthy habit. You can desensitise yourself to real sex and change the way you’re able to enjoy it.
In these times, where you get served up porn content on your explore page for no good reason, I think porn consumption can easily become unhealthily pushed upon you.
The volcel police meme is a bit tired now, but I do think it’s good that we keep this site mostly non sexual.
fair point, especially about being served up sexual content in spaces otherwise not meant for it (like instagram). again, capitalism preys on humanity’s basest desires and floods our markets with sexual content.
and as an old, i just want to say that the “sex positivity” era of the early 2010s ran cover for throngs of abusers to get easy access to people who were exploring their sexual liberation and caused lots of harm to lots of good people, so it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth now.
Yep, really sad. Just because the algorithm can detect I’m a young man, my explore page gets flooded with sexual content. I never search for that on Instagram, and I only ever open them to select the option ‘stop showing me content like this’ - and yet, just because my interests are otherwise very male, I will never stop being shown a steady stream of onlyfans girls.
And yep, same as the free love generation in the 60s and 70s. Lot of pedos there. Lot of pedos in the hippy scene in general, even to this day.
The free love movement during the 70s-80s included a lot of adults getting to sexual acess to teenagers, at least in europe it did. Thats why there are so much older media with straight up illegal age gaps. And of course french cinema where half of the stuff is about a 15 year old having a forbidden romance with her 40+ married poetry teacher.
The fact that this happened is bad obviously, but is your point that “the free love movement was bad, actually”?
No. Its to support the point already stated above me.
The people’s VOLCEL VANGUARD are on the scene! PLEASE RESERVE YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS FOR STRATEGIC ACTS OF MASS REVOLUTIONARY CUMMING!!!
This is my new favorite volcel vanguard post.
overconsumption of porn is very commo
i would consume way less porn if anyone within a 200 mile radius would wear a fucking mask
Relatively new account.
Calls out hexbear site culture in a backhanded way, implying this is a problem that can be “fixed”.
Makes very bold statements, the only source being a random tiktok video.
Conflates leftist ideas about women not being overly sexualised with right wing puritanical beliefs.
Makes very basic feel-good statements that don’t commit to a strong position, AKA the “liberal politician” approach.
Acts as if they are just “helpfully reminding” hexbear to “be more normal” and “not fall for propaganda” while basically telling us to not worry and support status quo ideas.
Not sure if I should go “
” or “
” either way, this is some lame ass bait. Not everyone obsesses over how much people get laid as you do dude, get over it.That video also uses the “female prostitution is the oldest profession” line too, which is not true and also clearly the exact kind of right-wing propaganda as “gooning is an epidemic” is.
Yeah, I don’t know how anyone can watch these sorts of
umm acktually… kind of smug pseudo intellectual tiktok videos. Even if I agree with a video, the sheer smugness and self-righteousness of this sort of content is so offputting. Tiktok is an awful place.To be clear, the creator in question is a PhD candidate talking about the topic of his research. It’s not a “pseudo intellectual” it’s a literal academic.
I meant the tiktok format in general. Some of my favourite creators (like Milo Rossi) do the same thing with their tiktok videos, it just feels smug, arrogant, unpleasant and pseudointellectually smug, and unpleasant to watch as a result. I just don’t think it is a good format for sharing information with people.
Ah yeah gotcha, that’s a difference of taste I guess, I find they can do a good job of conveying like, a medium amount of information, more than an image post but requires less dedication than like, an extended video or article.
First off, I’ve been here since the sub was banned and the lifeboat Discord, I’ve changed accounts a few times for opsec.
To be quite honest I didn’t expect this to become such a struggle session. This wasn’t even supposed to be particularly a callout post of this site, it was more a comment on US culture broadly and the comment about the volcel police was supposed to be a site relevant joke.
I shouldn’t have said the thing about “weird prudes,” that was rude, my point was just that this idea that these ideas have even crop up in leftist, pro-sw, pro-lgbt spaces like Hexbear.
I certainly see how it comes off as backhanded attack on the site’s culture, and I’m sorry, that was not my intention.
- “Oh shit, they’re onto us! Quick do some damage control! Say you’ve been a part of the site for years to give you credibility!” “Make sure you claim no responsibility while still pushing the right buttons to ensure they stay divisive!” “Quick, quick, pull out the phrasebook, give a non-commital apology!”
“whew! Nailed it. No one will suspect us now.”
I’m only joking (or am I?), I just feel like being a bit mean. But this weird liberal politician way of speaking is not healthy. You can commit to a point and stick to your guns, it’s ok. Though I am wondering why you thought this wouldn’t cause a struggle session if you’ve been here for years. I’ve only been here for a couple of years, and your post’s inflammatory nature is really obvious. It’s clearly designed to treat your position on this as the “passive, neutral, correct” version of things, while accusing anyone who disagrees with you of believing in right wing conspiracies (poisoning the well against them). It seems obvious to me that this would cause a lot of discussion and argument, so I’m wondering what result you expected to get from this?
For the record, I do believe them that they are a user who used a different name. I do remember another user who had a very similar name, spoke in a similar manner, and had similar opinions, to the point I actually wondered “Wait, is this just them speaking under an alt” before they even said that.
Or maybe you’re just another fed trying to throw me off the trail! Maybe everyone on this site is a fed except me!
I think you’re right, their post was suspicious, but they’ve since clarified their intentions. I don’t actually think people are feds. I should probably put this as my tagline on my account or something, but:
While I do joke about feds a lot, I don’t think there are any real active fed accounts here, there’s probably a couple that exist to keep tabs on the website, but I don’t think they would bother to actively infiltrate hexbear, the site doesn’t really have any ability to organise direct action, and unlike somewhere like reddit, there’s not admins that will take the site down for “inciting violence” or whatever. It would be a waste of resources for them to do so.
I should probably reign in this behaviour, even jokingly fedjacketing people can still lead to a culture of suspicion, and there are other ways to call someone out if I disagree with them than calling them a fed.
I should probably reign in this behaviour, even jokingly fedjacketing people can still lead to a culture of suspicion, and there are other ways to call someone out if I disagree with them than calling them a fed.
Good call. The amount of fedjacketing I see in online leftist spaces is really messed up IMO, gives off deranged conspiracy theorist vibes and it also shows a lot of unwarranted self importance, the feds most likely aren’t making up elaborate personas to rile up terminally online visitors of very niche online communities.
gives off deranged conspiracy theorist vibes and it also shows a lot of unwarranted self importance, the feds most likely aren’t making up elaborate personas to rile up terminally online visitors of very niche online communities.
That’s why I do it, because I think it’s funny and absurd to think that some FBI agent is tasked with organising this week’s hexbear struggle session, but it may not always come across that I think it is absurd and silly, and ironic paranoia can easily seem like genuine paranoia.
I suspect feds, at most, track when people use this website as maybe suspicious?
But I also think they care more about, say, the PSL or the SRA.
Yeah, it would just be a note on someone’s file. Which is why it’s important to practice good OPSEC and not openly talk about any works we do IRL that could trace us.
Sure I’m currently high enough I’ll try to explain my thoughts through all of that, although most of it is “I’m kinda dumb”
Why I speak like that, I’m not really sure and it’s not something I love about myself but usually how the posts come out here is how the thoughts are going inside, I mask more in other places, here I tend to write how I think.
Why I thought it wouldn’t cause a struggle session, I think I vastly overestimated the degree to which volcel police was a bit, I thought it was just something we were doing because weirdo right wingers were “incels” and someone someday decided that “volcel” was funny.
I don’t generally think of Hexbear as more puritanical than the rest of the Anglo world I think it’s on the more sexually liberated end of things, which is why when in the past I’ve seen things that go against that I go “Oh wait this exists here too.”
So aside from what I thought was a small minority of users I kinda thought I was gonna be preaching to the choir?
I thought discussion of these ideas as right wingers propaganda by a PhD student researching that topic was something people here might appreciate, and then as I was writing the post I got in a weird mode and let the annoying argumentative side out I guess?
I still stand by most of what I’ve said although I could’ve been less of an asshole about some of it. As far as poisoning the well, the point of the video was that these beliefs come from right wing propaganda, so that’s a problem inherent to talking about this, that’s not just me being an asshole in the comments.
In retrospect should I have known this would’ve caused an argument though? 100%
I think it overall would’ve been fine if you had phrased the post more as “this is what this phd student says about this topic” rather than the way you phrased it originally, which did come across as more confrontational than you probably intended. That way, it would’ve just been people arguing about tiktok instead of a full on struggle session.
And fair enough on the “I’m kinda dumb” thing, that’s why I only make dumb comments, not posts. I would probably end up causing a struggle session over the dumbest shit possible if I did.
And the volcel thing is overdone, but I would much rather be on a site that actively mocks guys creeping on women and gets them to not do that, rather than a site that tolerates or even encourages that behaviour. Though others have already talked about that at length here.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, good luck with your infiltration of hexbear!
Genuinely I appreciate the advice, as an autistic person (and federal agent of course) it’s not often enough I get to actually have clear feedback on how I could have done an interaction better
Glad I could help! And I’m glad you’re taking my jokes with good humour, I wouldn’t blame you if you just got mad and hurled insults back at me. I’m very happy we could end up having an actually productive discussion instead of that.
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
People online be like “I just saw a tiktok, new opinion downloaded” and go from there.
It straight up contributed to the end of a relationship for me. Speech patterns/humor/knowledge all became tiktoked. It sucked.
Agreed but I think we can all also agree that when Norman Finkelstein talked about gooning being fascist it was both correct and one of the funniest things ever.
Removed by mod
Facts. Lmfao at thinking otherwise. If there were better economic oppurtunities how many of them would go into it? I mean really? They use industrial levels of lube and the extreme one go to the point of prolapse. The absolute state of the racist category. The transphobic titles that persist on there. The way sites had to crack down on the pedo shit. The doxxing and harrassment the workers put up with. The abuse on the sets. Shit is
Then mfs go in on those workers when they switch to onlyfans for better pay and less physically taxing content
If there were better economic oppurtunities how many of them would go into it?
Without getting into too much detail, I know a good handful of people who draw erotic art/write erotic stories without any expectation that they will ever make money off of it. They just like making the stuff.
rando smut authors or queer bara artist on x aren’t usually what most people consume as porn.
I admit that mostly hanging out in autistic/LGBTQ+ spaces may have given me a skewed perception of such subjects
Tbh I mean the mainstream pornhub and hardcore stuff. There are so many stories of former ones that regret it because of the social stigma of sex work that strains their relationship with partners and family, getting screwed out of money, abuse etc. Some felt they were too young to make an informed decision on this. Others is because of religious stigma. Etc. Then there are the nastier ones that may not be mainstream… Tbf a lot of this is reflection of the society but I will always look at the mainstream industry with the
for embracing the bullshitMakes sense, I’ve only been tangentially exposed to the big mainstream industry and what I saw was enough to make me not want to explore further.
I dunno what I’m talking about. I’m just a weirdo fighter tbh
Very different than getting prolapsed on set by an old fat dude who says he won’t pay you if you leave early, then having the title of the video be something horrendous like
cw: misogyny, SA, racism, incest
spoiler
Tiny Asian gets ass destroyed by BWC of White Step dad
This shit is on the front page of the biggest sites, like constantly. Watched by tens of millions of men (and women) reinforcing this fascistic mindset. Like all over the place. I implore you to just go and look at it and face the horror.
I don’t doubt it’s awful, though it seems to me the common factor here is capital and the profit motive. Similar to how it turns gaming into endless horror stories of “modern military shooter about killing brown people with tie-in Army recruitment ads made by devs working 80-hour weeks who all got fired after the game made record profits” and “asset flip glorified slot machine.”
Mods removed my comment for being “SWERF” lmao
That’s because porn isn’t inherently fascist. You made a general statement that was incorrect. I corrected it. You clarify yourself a bit in other posts, so those are still up.
Capital P Porn, as in the existing Porn industry, absolutely is fascist
Lots of people agreed with my post, and it isn’t SWERF so restore it
Lots of people agree with alot of things that are incorrect.
Your comment was not accurate, and was swerf shit until you clarified in other posts. Swerf shit doesn’t get restored.
No it was not and you are wrong. My other posts “clarifying my position” are saying the same thing my original comment was. It was not SWERF and you have a bias that is causing you to not use a Marxist feminist lens
If lots of communists on this site agree, and I’m making a legitimate Marxist feminist argument about the actually existing porn industry instead of idealized figments, you are just attempting to control the conversation through mod fiat
Being a mod doesn’t make you right. Common mistake in here and in this thread is appeals to authority instead of engaging with material reality.
Yeah, they do that. It’s really stupid.
It’s the same tactic lib-zionists use when they label anti-Israel leftists as antisemitic.
They did the same thing to me a couple months back because I said I would judge coworkers who look at extremely sexualized anime content at work as weeb coomers. They called me a coomer for “thinking it’s sexual” and banned me
porn is not fascistic wtf are you talking about lol
the porn industry and how liberals talk about porn kinda is. filming yourself fucking and putting it on the internet isn’t.
Sure. “Capitalist corporations are fascist” I’m not sure you’re gonna find much disagreement with that on this site. That has nothing to do with porn specifically.
And in fact I’d argue that the environment of repression and shame around sex and porn reinforces the fascist vibes in industrial porn production, because the law and regulations on pornography think of sex as icky and don’t want to deal with it in a healthy way.
ok go to pornhub and tell me the top 20 categories
The largest institution of porn in our fascist society has fascist categories
That doesn’t really say anything about porn inherently, just that we live in a fascist society.
Nowhere else in our “fascist” society is this level of overt fascism tolerated. I could not go to work or go on television and start categorizing women by color and how fuckable they are because of that, or how slurs need to be choked hard or whatever. Mainstream porn’s overt and explicit fascism exceeds any other facet of our society, meaning it has a special quality above and beyond that of the rest of society. Or is the outlet and release for the pent up fascist sexual frustrations of the populace. Either way, that makes Porn in our society fascist. Doesn’t matter if it’s the chicken or the egg, at the end of the day it’s extremely fascist in its actual existing state
Also, it’s not just pornhub or our society. Go to Russian, African, Spanish speaking or Chinese porn sites and you will find the same thing
Sex (and especially kink) is where people explore the extremes of human emotion. Sexual spaces are more blatant about everything. We live in a fascist society, so the open fascism becomes very apparent. But you can also find plenty of porn that is quite literally the active opposite of that.
i’m talking about the industry as it exists while you are talking about the platonic ideal of porn in a vaccuum. We are not going to come to a consensus on this because of this
And I completely disagree with your notion that sexual spaces are just more blatant about everything. Where on Pornhub is the extremely blatant Marxist section? Porn addiction only goes one way, towards more and more extreme ends of fetishization, humiliation, degredation, objectification, etc. It doesn’t tend towards the extremity of humanitarianism or equality.
when i jerk off all day to online pornography, i’m not jerking off to porn inherently; i’m jerking off to porn within a neoliberal order which purports to best provide individual preference satisfaction but because of the profit motive and class realities provides a world incentivized to indulge my selfish impulses at the expense of workers and the collective good and my own opportunity for actual intimacy.
no one cares about porn inherently, no one jerks off to porn inherently.
Idealism upon idealism in here because people don’t want to introspect
tagline material?
pin every post – nothing is wrong, everything a banger.
Apparently being against the industrial sexual assault factory makes one a “SWERF”
gooners are fascists in the making https://youtu.be/gcaaIvJPjYI
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I have seen some weird goon fetish thing, where whiteness and masculinity is “fetishized”, so I dont doubt it.
Yeah, there’s some weird porn out there, and in our devolving fascist society a lot of the porn will be about how weird and fascist our society is. Porn is downstream of culture.
You can also find weird fetish porn about black supremacy. Sissification is a weirdly common fetish now and that’s the opposite of fetishizing masculinity.
I would disagree that sissification doesn’t fetishize masculinity. Half of it is putting masculinity on this pedestal in a very fetishistic way via the degradation of femininity and the humiliation of the feminine subject.
Sissification flooding everything made me so happy when i finally found some trans empowerment erotica
Well I mean porn is a product stemming from social anxiety and fears and it functions as a pressure value for the “forbidden aspects”. Whiteness and heteronormative masculine hegemony are believed to be under threat and are being reinforced by the demonization of the other, the fact that race and gender fetish porn, especially “sissification” which comes from the subconscious fear of being not “manly” enough and disgust at femininity fostered by the fash, is rising in popularity is the evidence for it.
There was a cultural festival in rome, where enslavers would roleplay with their slaves by switching positions.
Telling him about gooning was elder abuse
Oh shit new bear thread with more comments than votes fuck yeah gotta pull this up on my middle goon cave monitor for some background reading
For real though fuck this site for teaching me what a gooner is you can all go to hell for that one
pull this up on my middle goon cave monitor for some background reading
so there I was, gooning to my hexbear threads when
volcel vanguard is just to keep people from being weird when nobody asked, I don’t see a problem with it and honestly never would have even associated with with gooner shit if you hadn’t mentioned it
undersocialized young men that don’t know how to interact with people.
You don’t even need the “undersocialized” or “young” qualifiers there. However the volcel police meme started back on the old sub it was quickly weaponized to target the sort of omnipresent low-level sexual harassment that creeps do all over reddit and it’s managed to persist past the death of the sub and multiple ground shifts in site culture here because it works at suppressing that.
While I disagree with a lot of the opinions posted all over this thread, the one about volcel police being tired is just blatantly wrong. Its a great meme purely as a tool to identify that people being horny when no one else wants them too should stop being public about it. This was even something the Chapo boys were saying, “do not get your political opinions from jerk-off sites”
Close the tab, open up your favorite material. Lay one out and then come back and use the discussion better. Or just be a fucking adult and keep it to yourself unless the vibe is more explicit. Especially because so many more people read the posts than commenting, its nice to just have a bot you can ding up to get yourself posting and being upvoted.
The people’s VOLCEL VANGUARD are on the scene! PLEASE RESERVE YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS FOR STRATEGIC ACTS OF MASS REVOLUTIONARY CUMMING!!!
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
“We do not live in an overly-sexually-liberated time. There is not an excess of sexual content or exposure to it”
Idk maybe I am ignorant on history, but like…what time but the current would have MORE exposure to sexual content than the current internet age?
I do feel like we are living in one of the most if not the most sexually liberated and over exposed times in history for good or for ill I feel like that’s just obviously the case.Exposure to sexual content is inherently a modern thing because it’s wildly artificial to think of sexual activity as “content.” Depictions of sex acts are ancient though, they just weren’t commodified (and obviously there’s a big qualitative difference between naughty engravings and live action recordings). But I would say that when humans lived in big polygamic groups before any kind of family structures had developed (and with the family structure strict sexual regulation) you could say they were more sexually liberated.
Didn’t Pompeii literally have dicks carved into the street to point the way to the nearest brothel? I think the classical world was incredibly sexually liberated and similarly exposed to sex a lot more than we are.
large parts of the the classical world were slave societies, including pompeii. that level of sexual exploitation really strikes me as at odds with ‘sexual liberation’
Liberation is when human trafficking.
I think we need Marx here. When you just have little depictions of nudity and sex as art pieces here and there it’s a very different phenomenon compared to the commodification of sex. When we’re talking about a commodity, it fundamentally transforms the relation we have with the object, it stops being just a thing that exists with a use value, to being a product that is brought to market and owned. It is produced in mass. Exploitation and alienation become parts of the operating process necessary for it to enter the market. So on and so forth.
Guy. You’re comparing Internet porn to a society where there were prostitution currencies and brothels staffed by slaves
Yeah, that’s a very fair point so maybe you need to go back further in history for my comment to make full sense, since sex was already commodified in ancient Rome.
not only that but the city had a prominent statue of Pan fucking a goat lol
Retvrn
i think there’s probably a qualitative difference between vulgar graffiti and having a tiny machine in your pocket that has, and will be incentivized to create more, limitless simulations of people fucking for your gratification at any time.
I wouldnt say liberated, but there was no filter. Graffiti of gay and lesbian (yes they were aware that it’s possible) was found on the walls of public spaces. There is a story from ancient greek, where soldiers get another soldier’s boyfriend to watch to give him courage in battle or something. There were mock law trials in rome, which place women and men on equal levels of being possible victims of SA.
More so than medieval Europe I guess, but idk if the sheer amount and availability really compares. I dunno I’m not like a sex scholar by any means tho our current circumstances just feel a bit unique to me.
search “Jesus’ side-wound”, there is literally art where jesus is a transmasc icon giving birth to the church.
he got that stigmatussy tho
What does sexual liberation mean to you? Putting housing out of
youngmost people’s reach, dating being enclosed by apps under a monopoly, wastelands of soul-less sexual content made solely to satisfy markets and algorithms, and wave after wave of legislation criminalizing queerness, sex education, and existing in public space couldn’t possibly be what you mean. So what do you?This and honestly I think the existence of dating apps is sexually repressive in and of itself.
Many people today are uncomfortable with the concept of flirting with a stranger at a bar. And I don’t just mean “Man you just can’t sexually harass a woman like you used to!”
Both men and women have now become accustomed to the idea that it’s only appropriate to flirt in the environment of dating app where flirting is inherently agreed on up front. It is only appropriate to do romance under the thumb of the corporations. Anything else would be a social faux pas, you wouldn’t want to potentially make someone uncomfortable would you? Best to stay in the meeting space designated to you b Capital.
Is that seriously the current state of dating in the US? Holy shit
fuck bars even without covid extra fuck bars after covid.
Fuck covid I miss going to bars all the time
I mean it in the liberal sense of the word I guess. I don’t actually think any of it is all that liberating.
Safe search didn’t exist until 2009. We may have the perception of more access but we’re not more exposed. Playboy magazine used to sell in stores
Edit: I’d argue it only became more accessible because the internet is more accessible
I remember the newspaper having an entire section where nude women were featured. And it was not a “special” kind that you had to go out of your way to subscribe too.
Just as one example, the Victorian Era was 100% more sexually liberated in the general culture. Like, kink equipment became general fashion. People were having orgies.
The fact that you feel like you’re overly exposed to sex is itself a sign that we live in a conservative, puritan culture.
honestly voIcel police is just a really tired meme. that said I do really value the anti-horny culture of this particular board, it’s played a big part in keeping this a good space for people that aren’t cis men I think.
Agreed. Making c/porn invite-only was a great idea.
I c/porn I eat it
This hits me right where i like my brain tickled
honestly voIcel police is just a really tired meme.
this is kinda funny considering the horniest part of hexbear is the trans mega
that’s the point. If you let everyone be unrelentingly horny you’d have a lot of cis people and random chasers making others uncomfortable. There’s the entire rest of the internet for that. But a place that actively roots out the chasers and weirdos and provides some trans-specific spaces, is a safer place to express things about being trans, including sexuality. I mean there are trans ppl being horny on twitter or whatever but they receive a stream of chasers, incels, reactionaries, etc. harassing them in DMs and not everyone is up for that especially early on in transition, nor should they have to be
Trans mega isn’t that horny all things considered, but some people do go overboard on occasion still.
to be clear i wasn’t complaining or anything, it’s just pretty much the only place on hexbear i’ve seen anyone be horny at all really, except as a joke responding to a meme or something
As they should. Queer sexuality is demonized and marginal. I am personally ace and lowkey volcel, yet it doesnt challenging horniness is something that can be done blindly and equally.
Queer sexuality is demonized
Part of my point is that in our society all sexuality is demonized, queer or not, kinky or vanilla.
ironic
Yeah, just feels like another case of overcorrecting in some ways, but it’s 100% better than the alternative.
Its an historic element, a holdover from the r/chapotraphouse times, were actually “horny on main” people would like thirst over AOC’s feet or any other marginal attractive woman.
Sure, but nowadays its just redundant spam that gets brought in with a hair trigger at the slightest mention of anything.
Idk its similar to the amber bot thing. Despite that podcast being of decreasing relevance since 2016.
Amber.
I prefer spaces where sexual talk is kept to a minimum so a little too much Puritanism is a fair trade off for me
Why though? Why do you prefer that?
Cause that’s kind of my point. The fact that people, including leftists, prefer spaces where sexual talk is kept to a minimum is the sign that we do not live in an era with too much exposure to sex and in fact we live in a very repressed and puritanical time.
i prefer online spaces where sexual talk is kept to a minimum because i don’t enjoy being sexually harassed by men. i go to irl queer events when i want that.
- seen it way too much so I respek this
I feel like its everywhere. Like, scrolling other social media, there’s just, constant thirst traps, horny ass art, conversation topics that are thirsty as hell. Photos with just, a girl doing cosplay or another hobby are full of people harassing her.
Some of the above things are ‘fine’, others aren’t. Like, idk if people want to post and discuss their fetish art. But its all very gross to me, and I want to stay far away from it. I don’t have any desire to talk about sexual content with anyone other than my partner.
Why though? Why do you prefer that?
Because it tends to get really weird really fast. Most people would probably be reasonable about it but you’re almost certainly going to attract a few major weirdos too.
Basically a “bad apple spoils the bunch” kind of thing.
Idk honestly. For a while i thought i was ace but I’m just not that into sex or talking about it. Not for any moral reasons just cause
For a while i thought i was ace but I’m just not that into sex or talking about it.
I mean isn’t that what being ace is? Honest question tho, I’m very much very horny and have no idea how ace people work.
demi gangAsexuality is a spectrum and there are quite a lot of gradations in between completely sex-repulsed asexual and extremely active allosexual
Is the fact that people, including right-wingers, prefer spaces where race science talk is kept to a minimum, a sign that we do not live in an era with too much racism and in fact we live in a very equal and fair time?
and that’s why he’s the goat 🐐
Gooning behaviour the sexual activity? Niche fetish. Never tried it. Never had the time to try it.
Gooning behaviour aka the porn version of being “terminally online”? Annoying at best, community destroying at worst.
Gooning behaviour aka how my friends use it, aka “we have this one friend who refuses to leave the house and we joke that he spends all his time gooning but is actually having a mental crisis and resists all our efforts to help him”? Uh …
So basically, words are the devil and they lead us astray with their multitudes.
words are the devil and they lead us astray with their multitudes
Incredible
