There have also been an uptick in incidents of arson, vandalism, and violence against Tesla showrooms that, while unrelated to the protests, have led to Musk and President Donald Trump labeling them “domestic terrorism."
It’s perfectly reasonable to think that at least some of these could be false flag opperations orchestrated by the Trump administration to give them cover to arrest innocent people and eventually declare martial law. The more that possibility is part of the mainstream conversation, the more wind it takes out of their sails towards accomplishing those goals.
I wish the stock price would just collapse already along with organic consumer demand for the cars themselves evaporating into nothing so it could whither and die a natural death.
As much as I hate Musk, I’m not a fan of seeing property damaged. Not because I love the property, but because it’s too easy to leverage it as terrorism by a regime that has a hard-on for labeling anything it doesn’t like as such. Consumer collapse and bankruptcy would be beautiful to behold.
Damaging property is not terrorism. This is so tired.
I have a feeling, even if the World Trade Center had been completely depopulated on the morning of September 11th and the hijacked aircraft only had jihadists aboard, the event would have probably still been declared an act of terrorism.
The determination of what constitutes terrorism isn’t for us normies to make. The people in power get to have that particular privilege, regardless of what we feel.
Peeaonally, I think terrorism requires a certain scale of either malice or destruction. Flying jetliners into an empty icon of the country? Definitely terrorism. Crashing a little Cessna into a National Forest? Probably not terrorism.
It has to be organized for one. One random person going out and doing something regardless of what they do, isn’t terrorism domestic or otherwise.
And it doesn’t matter, Pam bondy isn’t really charging anyone under the domestic terrorism act. She’s charging folks for malicious destruction of government property. And the reason she can charge them this way, is because Tesla receives financial assistance from the federal government. So this puts them under a clause in the law that allows the Pam to charge them as though they had set fire to Air Force One or something similar.
All of the domestic terrorism stuff, that’s just political propaganda. It doesn’t actually reflect what she is charging people with.
It has to be organized for one.
I disagree. Consider racist mass shootings by lone perpetrators. It’s clearly an act attempting to incite terror and tension, many of them make it clear in their manifestos that they’re trying to spark a ‘race war’. But it’s not organized, beyond being the result of stochastic terrorism.
I meant the legal definition. But I apparently misread it the other day when I was looking at it.
Burn it to the mother fucking ground. The line must go down.
I’m worried about the next Rittenhouse. Stay safe out there and watch out for the “good guy with a gun”
I love when someone brings up Rittenhouse because I dated someone who went to high school with him, so I know quite a bit about him.
Turns out all of the signs were there and his mom encouraged that type of stuff :)
They’re often are signs. I was at school with someone that ended up being a murderer. He was a super weird kid, his father wasn’t around and his mother was an alcoholic so he never really had a great upbringing, schools response to all this was to get him suspended whenever he acted up.
I’m sick of worrying about being killed over my freedom of speech in this so called free country and I think I’d rather die by calling out some fascist than cancer or living under tyranny anyways.
None of you are immortal so figure it the fuck out.
Where can a civilian get a good bulletproof vest?
In the US I’m pretty sure you can just buy them online.
They sell plate carriers at my local gun store.
Lol all over
Don’t physically assault anyone and you’ll be okay.
I’m curious if anyone knows if cars, especially electric cars, are vulnerable to EMPs?
Disclaimer - not an electromagnetic scientist wizard
My understanding is that EMPs are more of a concern for the tiny electronics on computers versus relatively large motors or batteries. So, an electric vehicle is still at risk, but I don’t think it’d be any more at risk than any ICE car that’s all computerized anyways.
With all the touch screens and computer controlled door handles I wouldn‘t bet on a Tesla in this showdown.
thats one of the many downsides of making everything computer
“Everything’s computer”
Nuke type EMPs are a threat to very long wires, like miles long ones used to transmit power. The blast causes a ripple in the earths magnetic field that induces current over huge distances. But I don’t know what a more handheld device would affect.
Electric motors work by inducing a magnetic field with coils of wire, so I’m sure a strong enough EMP would disrupt it temporarily, but I don’t know if it would meaningfully damage anything after the EMP ceased.
They’re made specifically to deal with high electromagnetic flux, so it definitely wouldn’t hurt them long term. Best bet would be something higher frequency to mess with the computers.
https://www.ijnrd.org/papers/IJNRD2305791.pdf
Build one and report back. 🤷
Hmmm. Well, I do love taking apart old microwaves…
In all seriousness microwaves are the #1 leading cause of death for hobby electronics people, be careful around them and know what you’re doing before you open it.
I didn’t realize they were the #1 killer. Most of them via electrocution of the HV capacitor, I would imagine?
15ish years ago I got lucky and didn’t kill myself on the first one I ever cracked open. I managed to become marginally more intelligent and after poking around in it decided it’d be smart to research the art of microwave dismantling, which led to a minor anxiety attack and cold sweats when I realized how stupid I had been.
Same with old televisions and that flyback transformer. 😬
Hahaha, funny you mention that. I was this close to trying to open an old CRT set many years ago when that little voice in my head said, hey, maybe look up what happens when you do that. I decided I didn’t need to go through with it.
That being said, DLP sets are my absolute favorite to dig into. So many awesome optical components, mirrors, and cooling fans inside. I didn’t find anything that seemed too dangerous, either.
Yep. That HV capacitor will turn you into orbital bacon with a quickness, and it keeps a charge for way longer than you’d ever think was realistic. In the same vein as “assume every gun is loaded”, also assume every capacitor is charged.
I think I even read it can gradually spontaneously self-charge if left alone long enough with the terminals insulated from each other. I don’t know if that’s actually true (it would seem to be a sort of Maxwell’s Daemon at that point), but yeah, best to not take chances.
It’s quite dangerous, the magnetron can kill very easily. There’s this youtuber called styropyro who’s done some really cool stuff with them though
He’s a treasure. The inside of a microwave is insane in its casual dangers. Like that HV capacitor, or, more insidiously, the beryllium insulator that can cause berrylliosis if broken and inhaled.
Sounds like you don’t even have to do anything to make it dangerous. Heck, let’s just chuck broken microwaves at the Teslas.
All cars with computers are vulnerable
So like 95-99% of cars registered in a developed economy.
Sounds about right, yeah.
For cars, you’re gonna need something a bit bigger. Large coil, capacitor bank to generate a static field and some high explosives to disrupt that field to give the pulse. It fries the wires in a car. Single use only.
Sounds like an awesome YT video for backyard scientist or action labs or alpha phoenix or definitely styro pyro
If I was insuring Tesla or their showrooms in any way, I would see to get rid of this contract as fast as possible.
I wouldn’t. That would be covered under the force majeure clause, so no need to pay anything to Tesla, but you can increase premiums by a lot and earn crap loads doing absolutely nothing.
This guy insurances.
Drill, baby, drillBurn, baby, burn
There are lots of Tesla protests going on every weekend. See https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown to find one near you.
Also see https://www.mobilize.us/indivisible/ for even more (not necessarily Tesla specific) protests going on all over the place all the time.
Participate in what you can.
Already planning on it 😎
It’s a shame that lithium fires are hella toxic. Is love to grill up some hot dogs.
Come on guys get Tesla stocks to 0!
I wonder if we will finally get a visible notion of the inaction in protests in the US compared to the rest of the world.
I bet non-US protests will average at 2000 people per, but protests in the US will total 2000 people.
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