• VanillaBean@lemmy.world
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    Because he IS too old. Biden did the right thing. Selflessly put the country before himself and listened to his party. I don’t think Trump would ever have enough morals or integrity to do that in a million years unfortunately. So we’ll have to beat the old loon and his band of circus freaks at the polls, again.

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      Biden was never supposed to run for a second term, and then dragged his feet until the very last minute. The selfless thing would’ve been to step aside for someone younger before the race began

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          Not that I’m suggesting that this was intentional or that he did right to wait, but there are a few upsides. Trump and the Republicans were fully prepared and frothing to take on that blubbering old man from that last debate, but now they’re actually going to make a case for Trump over a (hopefully) real contender. And many Democrat voters went from feeling defeated and apathetic, potentially enough to not even bother voting, to being charged with a second chance and a (again, hopefully) more exciting candidate to support. If Biden had declared his intention not to run again before the primaries, the Republicans would have had much longer to prepare and pick apart someone who wasn’t such an easy target, and Dems would have been infighting over the nuances of a dozen candidates and pissed off at each other. And, if Harris is the presumptive nomination, for better or worse, the knee jerk reaction from the Right will probably be to play up the racist and sexist angles, which should drive moderates away from the right, not away from Harris.

          It’s all conjecture, but I only see this as a net positive compared to where we were yesterday.

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            I mean, 5d chess if true.

            but that would be a dangerous, stupid game - and we know they would never do that, right? right?

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              its more of a mr bean dodging a certain death by finding a penny after wandering into a closed off area scenario, but I’ll take it.

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            More importantly imo: it put Biden and the Dems in the news and overshadowed the attempted assassination. Which kept its new cycle short and put the dems back on top. Trump hates being out of the news, and was right that the media wants him back because they loved the numbers he provided. The DNC should make a circus out of this to keep it in the news and with constant breaking news events. It’s stupid, and I hate it, but it would help them win.

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          agreed, never should have tried for the second bite.

          however… dems now have an opportunity to own the news cycle from here until the election. if they do even a halfway decent job, we start trending from “narrow loss” -> “political landslide”.

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            I don’t think all the messaging in the world can fix the reality that Biden hasn’t improved material conditions of the people who voted for him in 2020, or even gone to the mat fighting for them.

            The only things he’s really gone around congress or the SCOTUS for is to deny more asylum seekers and give more weapons to Israel and Ukraine.

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              the current reality is not the future reality - thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”. personally, I think it can work to keep trump out of office. this is a generational moment and the dems have it on their side.

              so, with luck, we get to reject trump and, depending on the turnout, watch where progressives settle around.the seat of power.

              between the dems and republicans, they have whittled down progressive representation, but its still there.

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                The real powerplay if Trump loses would be to pass an amendment setting a maximum age to run for president. Maybe tie it to retirement age. Old enough to receive social security, too old to run. Ideally you make that apply to all political offices, but I’m not that optimistic. Not that I think there’s a snowballs chance in hell of this actually happening as that would be a sane and sensible thing to do and therefore antithetical to everything our current crop of politicians stand for.

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                  dream big dreams.

                  if we manage to hobble past this brush against the mirror, then cool. maybe we don’t like the monster after all.

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                Whoever the candidate is, they have to avoid talking about Israel and use vague language on the issue. If they come out swinging for Israel I think it would not be a good look.

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                  this is where you use surrogates. signal with the surrogates and keep yourself out of the fray.

                  we will learn a lot by who is doing the most interesting talking on behalf of the campaign.

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                  No messaging or surrogate can have a good answer to “why haven’t you already done it?”

                  If instead of vaguely suggesting there might be a ceasefire sometime in the future if the dems remain in power, they stopped all arms shipments to Israel and sanctioned them until all Palestinians are granted equal political rights and right-to-return, you wouldn’t be asking yourself “How do I dress up support for an ongoing genocide”, you’d be telling people “We ended apartheid”

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                thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”

                That works when you’ve had 8 years of Bush and are campaigning on free healthcare, ending the wars, federal legalization of cannabis. It works when you’ve had 4 years of Trump and everyone thinks the democrats will defund the police, provide free healthcare and college, abolish ICE, codify roe, pack the court, etc. Then when you fail to do any of that, you get the shit kicked out of you 2 years later.

                The dems cannot campaign on hope when they’ve demonstrated that they will not give the people what they want.

                This isn’t a messaging problem, it’s a “triangulating yourself to be 2 inches left of republicans and then acting surprised when your base doesn’t show up” for 30+ years problem.

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                  many of biden’s appointees such as his NLRB pick are better than the last 3 democrats.

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                  How much of that was blocked in some way by the reps? Every time the peanut gallery chimes in with “what did Dems ever get accomplished?” they never provide the required addendum that reps are obstructionists.

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                  agreed. the Democrats have been abusive. cant really do anything about that until we have a better nomination, funding and voting system.

                  trump is a time dilation machine. the closer we get to him the shorter my horizon gets. keeping him away from the near dictatorial powers the supreme court just sanctioned is my primary objective.

                  I (and perhaps you) and many others should remember that the age we grew in defined us. the younger see things a little differently

                  I am just tryng to make enough space between the ancient vampires and our kids to allow them to have a say in their future.

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              He absolutely has. We’re getting public transit built out. Caps on overdraft fees. Capped the price of insulin. Invalidated most non-compete clauses. Oh, and he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.

              Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.

              I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.

              That’s just what I can name of the top of my head. He was a better president than Obama.

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            I am aware of that, considering that the article I linked is a direct response to that claim. If you notice the article you link does not quote Biden, but an anonymous source, and when reporters asked Biden he said: “I don’t have any plans on one term.”

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        I think most people had no idea he was significantly declining, hence the astonishment at the debate. And some people around him seem to have been encouraging the denial (or worse). I’m unclear if he was doing better many months ago before primaries.

        I can’t imagine how insulated and reliant on advisors and other employees the president becomes. Quickly surrounded by people who have no interest in being the bearer of bad news. Probably akin to billionaires, and we see what they mutate into (some kind of Musk-like creature).

        I’m so relieved that Biden was able to come to this painful decision, even if it was late. On the bright side, at least there’s less time for the GOP to smear the new nominee. And no more televised convention for them to host the lies for free.

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    Trump doesn’t care about the responsibility of being president. He likes the power and prestige of it.

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      But I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit.

      I just want the money.

      And the illusion of power.

      And puss.

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    If there’s anyway to convince him not to run that’d be wonderful. There are many Maga folks that emulate him but I don’t think they’re nearly as likely to be able to actually pull off a coup.

    Granted, it’s a fucking long shot that he’d listen to anyone.

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    I kind of fear what comes next after Trump (he is old and I can’t imagine him serving a full term).

    1. Can Trump transfer his cult to a successor with a mere endorsement and forever continue a cycle of scrambling to vote for this “last” democrat.
    2. His cult fizzles out and the Republican party splits support over multiple candidates.
    3. A person like DeSantis (less of a narcisstic idiot and more a true representive of Republican hatred) takes over and is worse than Trump.
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      He will never willingly let go of his control over his base. Trump doesn’t give a single fuck about the MAGA movement beyond the fact that it is his own personal army of zombie sycophants. His followers may be dogmatic about MAGA, but I can assure you that Trump himself is not. If he dropped dead tomorrow MAGA would instantaneously begin fizzling out, and it would fracture the Republican party.

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        The greatest gift trump could ever giver america is, when he loses the nomination in 2028, to run as a third party candidate. Hopefully he never lets go of his base.

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      Based on what my true-crime cult obsessed friend has said on the matter, option 2 is probably the most likely; though the party at large will always rally behind whoever the nominee is, because that’s how Republicans operate.

      DeSantis already tried to court the cult of Trump, and he failed because these cults of personality are entirely fixed around their leader. As my buddy described it, it’s not like a hydra where you can cut the head off and the cult keeps going. Once the leader is gone, they fizzle out. Even in the case of endorsing a successor, I can’t imagine the group having the same kind of following for the same reason - without Trump, the Flavor-Aid sours. There will be new leaders, but they’ll have to work to sway the core voters in the way that Trump has. And the Flavor-Aid is a perfect metaphor, because Trump sounds exactly like Jim Jones according to my friend.

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        This is the first time in the wild that I have seen someone correctly mention “Flavor-Aid” instead of “Kool-Aid” in reference to Jim Jones.

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      Can Trump transfer his cult to a successor with a mere endorsement and forever continue a cycle of scrambling to vote for this “last” democrat.

      Trump cares about not going to jail and Trump in approximately equal amounts. No way he lets someone else take the wheel. If he somehow became president again he’d start looking at repealing the 22nd before he’d endorse anyone else.

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      Trump has none of the admirable qualities of someone who’s overcome a mental disability. He oozes neurotypical privilege.

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    Like CNN is ever going to mention trumps age or any doubts about his mental capacity. They were bought out years ago.

    If you ever hear a right winger whine about CNN smack them in the face for being so ungrateful. They carry trump water all day, every day.

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    Doesn’t have the same bite after they had their head in the sand for ages and talked about “not voting for the man but the administration” and so on. Would’ve worked a lot better if they had ran a much younger candidate from the get-go

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    Tbh, as a non-American meme-connoisseur, I kind of want Trump to win again, because, well, of the memes, and his idio(cray)cy. I mean, it would do with the world economy what my wife did to me last night, and it would hurt, and most would cry, but we would have some fun.

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      Tbh, as an American, fuck off. The Nazi uniforms looked nice that does not mean I want to see more made.

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      I get you as a fellow meme connoisseur, but under some exceptional circumstances da memes come second.