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Mamdani is stone-faced as the protesters call him a traitor and sellout.
https://x.com/petersterne/status/2107985730182009339
some chants
Anti-Mamdani chants at the protest:
“Zohran, what do you say? How many kids did you kill today?”
“700,000 dead. Mamdani, your hands are red!”
“Traitor, traitor, come on out! You sold all your people out!”
“Zohran, you can’t hide. We charge you with genocide!”
From Nerdeen Kiswani, Founder of Within Our Lifetime
“MAYOR MAMDANI, TAKE A STAND! STOP THE SALE OF STOLEN LAND!”
Protesters confront Zohran Mamdani at an Israeli October 7th event, over the sale of Palestinian land through Israeli real estate events held right here in NYC.
Mamdani once introduced the Not On Our Dime Act to stop New York nonprofits from financing illegal Israeli settlements. Yet since becoming mayor, he has not publicly advanced a comparable initiative. When protesters confronted these land sales, he condemned their rhetoric rather than announcing concrete enforcement measures against the sales themselves.
In January, I outlined four existing legal avenues his administration could pursue, from consumer protection enforcement to investigations of potentially unlawful real estate marketing. None requires waiting for the state legislature.
https://x.com/NerdeenKiswani/status/2107988916703768990
Wow. A student organizer leading protests against Zohran Mamdani tonight reveals that she previously interned for him.
Now she’s leading chants against the very politician she once worked for, accusing him of prioritizing his own political advancement over the people and movements that helped bring him to power.
She delivers an ultimatum: The protests can stop when Mamdani stops the sale of stolen Palestinian land in NYC and abolishes the CUNY Board of Trustees, which advances Israel’s interests within the nation’s largest urban public university system.
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But she makes clear that she doesn’t expect him to deliver. In her view, Mamdani has become just another politician who makes promises to movements and then fails to meet their demands once in office.
What makes her testimony particularly significant is that she isn’t someone who opposed Mamdani from the beginning. She worked for him. She believed enough in his political project to participate in it. Now she’s publicly confronting him.
Her speech speaks to a broader frustration among people who placed their hopes in electoral politics as a vehicle for advancing Palestinian liberation. For some, the experience hasn’t strengthened their faith in political institutions. It has deepened their distrust.
https://x.com/NerdeenKiswani/status/2107997231416483892
Genuinely not as disappointed in Mamdani as I am at all those who refuse to hold elected officials feet to the fire.
He has absolutely no incentive to deliver on the demands of the Palestine movement if we don’t relentlessly make those demands. Meanwhile, Zionist organizations are doing exactly that, applying pressure and getting more and more of what they want, while people who claim to be on the left or support Palestine tell us our strategy should be to shut up.
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It’s absurd. You see that political pressure works. You see Zionist organizations using it to advance their interests. Yet somehow when Palestinians do that, in the context of a genocide no less, we’re accused of doing AIPAC’s job for them.
There is nothing Zionist organizations would like more than for the Palestine liberation movement to silence ourselves while politicians endlessly cater to their demands.
But what infuriates me even more is being lectured by Americans whose tax dollars are funding the weapons slaughtering my people. People who not only refuse to hold their own politicians accountable or do more to stop the genocide, but have the audacity to tell Palestinians to shut up about it.
You don’t get to sit comfortably in the country financing the slaughter of our people, refuse to hold your own politicians accountable, and then lecture us about how we’re allowed to resist it.
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Why would he even go to an Israeli oct 7 event. Do Israeli mayors go to NYC 9/11 events?
This is exactly what we should be encouraging, these people are realising that electoralism is a dead end and never leads to socialism, and are ready to accept more radical ideas. Any comrades in New York should be using this as a point of agitation wherever possible.
Much like Sanders before him, Mamdani’s role is to prove the flaccid and ineffectual nature of electoralism and trying to fix the system from within. I imagine quite a few comrades will be made from this, nothing hurts worse than actively pushing for someone to make things better and trying to help them get elected only to find out that it’s a big club and the working class isn’t in it.
Yes!
More than ever, comrades need to denounce Mamdani and show people the “real way”.
If not, this could lead some people to become “Fundidos”, lose hope and leave activism.
Also, I’m petty and I’m going to bring back this 1-year-old comment from one certain user who defended Mamdani as the second coming of Lenin.
Told u
turns out mamdani didn’t arrest netanyahu either! who could have seen that coming
Also, I’m petty and I’m going to bring back this 1-year-old comment from one certain user who defended Mamdani as the second coming of Lenin.
it’s taking iota of willpower not to do this but i think that my experience at having been fooled like this for clinton, then obama and then bernie is doing more heavy lifting.
i now expect to have to witness this play out over and over again for the rest of my years.
I had the great fortune of my parents having been fooled by electoralism decades ago, it seems like there just is a path one has to go through before they let go of these hopes. The alternative is too scary for most people to think of I think because it means real conflict with violence. It feels like part of the psyche has to exhaust everything before you can really accept that real change requires a more dangerous route and more personal sacrifice than just voting and living as normal.
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Instead of shitting on Mamdani for being a dipshit liberal Zionist sellout, I would like to commend how some people have already turned on him. None of that “let’s wait and see” bullshit.
What makes her testimony particularly significant is that she isn’t someone who opposed Mamdani from the beginning. She worked for him. She believed enough in his political project to participate in it. Now she’s publicly confronting him.
There’s decently sized groups of communists in NYC organizing against Zionism on many fronts and every single one I have interacted with hates Mamdani.
October 7th event
To celebrate it, right?
Guess the honeymoon is over.
My loved ones are still enamored, they’re shrugging me off as I keep coming to them with stuff like this as it happens more and more frequently :(
Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out viz Cory Doctorow’s recent thesis on Mamdani’s governing philosophy:
Mamdani is the anti-Obama. He shows what happens when a progressive candidate nurtures and co-governs with their base after the election, using millions of passionate, committed, everyday people to steamroller anyone who gets in the way of his agenda.
Of course the downside of this is that when Mamdani reneges on his pledges, he is loudly and furiously held to account for it.
Mamdani understood that he would be corralled into compromises if he won the mayoralty and that when he made those compromises, his base would come after him with the unmistakable fury of betrayed idealists. He also understood that any comfort he enjoyed by sidelining his base while in office would come at a price far higher than being yelled at by his supporters: it would cost him the ability to get anything done.
Cory Doctorow
He mostly means well, but in the end he’s always a petit bourgeoise compatible left doofus who keeps running into libshit dead ends because he lacks an actually revolutionary theoretical framework that connects the dots he keeps chasing like a cat running after a laser pointer. There’s so many people like him in not-technofascist-but-leftlibertarian-brainworms hacker spaces. Of fucking course he would fall for this.
An interesting thing I learned from the last chapter of Surveillance Valley is that Doctorow once tweeted he’s “proud to be a volunteer [Open Technology Fund] advisor”; not-technofascist-but-leftlibertarian indeed!
My impression is that he’s one of the few in that milieu that has actually picked up some Marxist analysis
I remember reading that and being pretty disappointed in Doctorow. He kept mentioning how Mamdani was being held accountable, and I kept wondering what I was missing. I don’t see him being held accountable at all.
It definitely comes across as wishcasting in light of recent events
using millions of passionate, committed, everyday people to steamroller anyone who gets in the way of his agenda
He could’ve actually attempted that but he is actually doing the Obama / Sanders limited cooption and opportunism strategy instead, leaving that largely behind and treating any major groups (like unions) like special interests to curry favor from, not directly coordinate with.
The premise itself is a good one. A competent socialist would be doing exactly what the person quoted is saying. It wouldn’t be easy but being a focal point for coordinated organizing and an asset for policy to build on the ground organizations is the most obvious thing for a minimally principled socialist to be doing. Build the orgs, build the project, never subvert to the individual. When compromises must be taken they must be characterized as such and used to build against the forces that creates them, not justified as intentional policy you actually support.
Real vanguard wouldn’t compromise silently. They would publicly expose the problems and corruption and demonstrate to the public just how limited even an NYC mayor is, how capital and the state force anti-democratic policy. A vanguard would be willing to take short term failures for a long term strategy by capitalizing on the cause of the failures, not out of ultraleft defeat-fetishization but because obviously this shit is going to take more than a few pothole initiatives to fix.
Mamdani is the anti-Obama. He shows what happens when a progressive candidate nurtures and co-governs with their base after the election, using millions of passionate, committed, everyday people to steamroller anyone who gets in the way of his agenda.
Huh? No he just shows that there’s absolutely no barriers to implementing good things. There’s no “steamroller” involved by using the crowd. He just says things, and actually does some of the things. The other liberals say things and then never do any of the things pretending their hands are tied. It has nothing to do with the crowd of people behind him who have no political power at all, he’s the one at the levers of the machine.
Of course the downside of this is that when Mamdani reneges on his pledges, he is loudly and furiously held to account for it.
Oh no people call him names! I’m sure he’s devastated about this thing that doesn’t actually affect his political power.
Mamdani understood that he would be corralled into compromises if he won the mayoralty and that when he made those compromises, his base would come after him with the unmistakable fury of betrayed idealists.
Again this is just total bullshit. He sits at the levers of power and can basically do what he wants with them. He is doing what he wants with them. There is no corralling here.
He also understood that any comfort he enjoyed by sidelining his base while in office would come at a price far higher than being yelled at by his supporters: it would cost him the ability to get anything done.
No because people shouting from the sidelines have no political power or impact on any of this beyond shame.
I know you and everyone else here already knows this but I’m saying it anyway. Also I fucking hate liberals. I hate all this shit. Reading that made me angry.
I gotta go somewhere with the unique frustration that is Serious Takes from people who can’t bring themselves to challenge the kayfabe.
Anyone has any good article on the current state of the sale of Palestinian land? All the articles I can find are from May, which says Mamdani took a stand against it.
They happen very often at certain synagogues in NYC. It varies but weekly/monthly.
I think that would be a good basis for shutting down those synagogues. Theres gotta be some law that you can pull out of your ass that doesnt allow real estate auctions at tax expempt religious facilities.
Could be. Lawfare is also beholden to capital and liberalism so you’d want to build a strong ground game first. Or have a pile of money to take on fight that lasts like 5 years to get a win.
they’ve had sales in the summer and will have one in october, i believe, I would think checking pym socials will bring some info
What is pym socials?
Socials of the Palestinian Youth Movement in NYC
