Gamer-nazis aren’t puritans. Puritanism doesn’t even really exist anymore, but the faction who are trying to sensor sexual content via payment processors are a different group from the very consumerist gamer-nazis.
“Puritanism doesn’t even really exist anymore” he says in a thread full of people complaining about “gooner games” and treating sexual artwork like its inherently lesser than our pure christianity approved natoslop and being horny is a sin weird gooner thing
its not like sex workers have been systemically oppressed for decades or anything lol
I think large parts of hexbear still have this mindset, which I struggle to be shocked at but am disappointed in anybody who uses “gooner” as a descriptor I immediately don’t trust
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Don’t forget that the concept of expressing one’s sexuality in creative works didn’t exist until capitalists invented it in the 20th century! Horny media is a novel cognitohazard that will fry your brain and definitely not something humans have been doing since before recorded history /s
its not like sex workers have been systemically oppressed for decades or anything lol
Centuries or millenia, but I don’t think people here are complaining about sex workers, they are comaining about, e.g. “misogynistic haremslop visual novel/rpg #5,000,000,000,000,002” and things like that.
Edit: sorry, the community section, so I guess they mean “misogynistic sex slave dungeon slop #10,000,000,000,000,000,003”
complaining about the existence of sexual artwork and acting like its inherently lesser because its sexual its still puritanism lmao
“generic” or not doesnt matter, and the problem there is misogyny and heteronormativity. literally that exact same misogyny argument is used for sex work lmao. also creating sexual artwork is a form of sex work.
Yes, the reason I don’t like all the mods where you enslave women and throw them in a dungeon to molest them is that I’m a misogynist being sex negative, you got me. I’m an oppressive misogynist and virulently heteronormative and puritanical when I express displeasure at the huge mass of media that exists almost entirely made by and for hetero dudes to enact r___ fantasies. I can’t believe finally someone figured me out.
Incidentally common definitions of “sex work” often exclude something like drawing sexual artwork (contrast with modeling, voice acting, etc.) and regardless I think it’s counterproductively flattening to call all the people making these mods the same thing we call escorts with no distinction in the social history of these jobs.
imagine getting this pressed over a marginalized person saying “hey maybe we shouldnt refer to things as dgen art and invent new slurs so we can keep saying that” lmao
“i hate misogyny so i will throw all people that make horny art under the bus, many of whom are minorities doing survival sex work, surely this is good”
the nazis literally put people in death camps for making art they didnt like. amerikkka and other countries are literally debanking people who make art that isnt “pure” enough and attempting to make creating it illegal
“common definitions” of racism also pretend that people of colour can be racist towards white people, i dont think “common definitions” really matter
I think you misunderstood xenon’s argument. She’s saying that the problem with the mods is that they’re misogynist and heteronormative as opposed to that they’re sexual in nature, not that disliking them is misogynist.
Puritianism isn’t just stodgy conservatives, it’s a specific strain. “Gooner” insults here are from more like annoverlap between male-negative patriarchy and liberal-style feminism where hating a specific kind of low-totem man is okay. It’s why no one here applies “goon” adjective to romantasy stuff when it’s sociologically similar.
Capitalism killed puritanism the same way it killed a bunch of other feudal ideologies.
“its a specific strain” ah yes there is no strain of extremely sex negative patriarchal people under capitalism, they simply dont exist? lol? this is such a nothing statement
and famously women dont get horny or get off or play horny video games?
people dont apply “goon” to romantasy stuff because they like romantasy and can pretend its a completely different thing. famously reactionaries are extremely consistent with their beliefs and how they apply them,
you can jump through as many hoops as you want to say “no no im not a puritan this is bog standard reactionary slop not a super special strain of reactionary slop” but that doesnt change the fact you sound the exact same as the person that calls a woman in a bikini “goon bait” and call people who look at pornography “dgenerates”
or complaining about “unnecessary sex scenes” in movies because you are incapable of wrapping your head around sex not being an inherently lesser act, or that it could have any meaning outside of “make babies”
its the same exact bullshit used to oppress people for literal centuries just with a fresh coat of paint expunged by the exact same type of people
They mostly don’t no, they’re a tiny, tiny minority of consumerist society, but you especially attributing any current forms of sex negativity to puritanism is fallacious. Try talking about porn games in literally any country and see what happens.
“Damn, the puritans have infected China and Iran as well! Their reach has no bounds”
Edit: do not try to “out-woke” me, I played The Joy Of Sex on the Philips CD-i alone two nights ago. You cannot “sex-negative” me.
this is some “well um akshually the trump administration isnt fascist because its not literally part of the mid 1900s italian political party” levels of cope
thank you oh wise man for mansplaining to me how incredibly wrong i am because you cant accept that in almost 500 years you havent managed to come up with anything more original than the same talking points that the average 1600s christian espoused
Same. I’m like.
“Bro, you’re an American puritan! You think sexuality is a sin! Why are you engaging in something you think is sinful?!”
I’m sure their logic is “I’m such a perfect little boy for Jeebus, it’s my reward for conforming so well.”
They only have a problem with sexuality when it’s the sexuality of anyone other than cis hetero men.
Oh my god, so you’re telling me I’m the inverse of a gamer?
This actually makes so much sense.
Gamer-nazis aren’t puritans. Puritanism doesn’t even really exist anymore, but the faction who are trying to sensor sexual content via payment processors are a different group from the very consumerist gamer-nazis.
“Puritanism doesn’t even really exist anymore” he says in a thread full of people complaining about “gooner games” and treating sexual artwork like its inherently lesser than our pure christianity approved natoslop and being horny is a
sinweird gooner thingits not like sex workers have been systemically oppressed for decades or anything lol
im sure it doesnt exist tho,
I think large parts of hexbear still have this mindset, which I struggle to be shocked at but am disappointed in
anybody who uses “gooner” as a descriptor I immediately don’t trust
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its just people who want to call things “dgen” but dont want to be called reactionaries for it
Real as fuck, hate to see it. Reactionaries love to engineer new slurs.
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It’s the generalisations common in threads like these.
Don’t forget that the concept of expressing one’s sexuality in creative works didn’t exist until capitalists invented it in the 20th century! Horny media is a novel cognitohazard that will fry your brain and definitely not something humans have been doing since before recorded history /s
Centuries or millenia, but I don’t think people here are complaining about sex workers, they are comaining about, e.g. “misogynistic haremslop visual novel/rpg #5,000,000,000,000,002” and things like that.
Edit: sorry, the community section, so I guess they mean “misogynistic sex slave dungeon slop #10,000,000,000,000,000,003”
complaining about the existence of sexual artwork and acting like its inherently lesser because its sexual its still puritanism lmao
“generic” or not doesnt matter, and the problem there is misogyny and heteronormativity. literally that exact same misogyny argument is used for sex work lmao. also creating sexual artwork is a form of sex work.
Yes, the reason I don’t like all the mods where you enslave women and throw them in a dungeon to molest them is that I’m a misogynist being sex negative, you got me. I’m an oppressive misogynist and virulently heteronormative and puritanical when I express displeasure at the huge mass of media that exists almost entirely made by and for hetero dudes to enact r___ fantasies. I can’t believe finally someone figured me out.
Incidentally common definitions of “sex work” often exclude something like drawing sexual artwork (contrast with modeling, voice acting, etc.) and regardless I think it’s counterproductively flattening to call all the people making these mods the same thing we call escorts with no distinction in the social history of these jobs.
imagine getting this pressed over a marginalized person saying “hey maybe we shouldnt refer to things as dgen art and invent new slurs so we can keep saying that” lmao
“i hate misogyny so i will throw all people that make horny art under the bus, many of whom are minorities doing survival sex work, surely this is good”
the nazis literally put people in death camps for making art they didnt like. amerikkka and other countries are literally debanking people who make art that isnt “pure” enough and attempting to make creating it illegal
“common definitions” of racism also pretend that people of colour can be racist towards white people, i dont think “common definitions” really matter
I think you misunderstood xenon’s argument. She’s saying that the problem with the mods is that they’re misogynist and heteronormative as opposed to that they’re sexual in nature, not that disliking them is misogynist.
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But is “gooner” a merely sexual term, or is “gooner” specifically a vector of patriarchy?
I think that is the flip side of the argument.
Which is still a huge generalization
Puritianism isn’t just stodgy conservatives, it’s a specific strain. “Gooner” insults here are from more like annoverlap between male-negative patriarchy and liberal-style feminism where hating a specific kind of low-totem man is okay. It’s why no one here applies “goon” adjective to romantasy stuff when it’s sociologically similar.
Capitalism killed puritanism the same way it killed a bunch of other feudal ideologies.
“its a specific strain” ah yes there is no strain of extremely sex negative patriarchal people under capitalism, they simply dont exist? lol? this is such a nothing statement
and famously women dont get horny or get off or play horny video games?
people dont apply “goon” to romantasy stuff because they like romantasy and can pretend its a completely different thing. famously reactionaries are extremely consistent with their beliefs and how they apply them,
you can jump through as many hoops as you want to say “no no im not a puritan this is bog standard reactionary slop not a super special strain of reactionary slop” but that doesnt change the fact you sound the exact same as the person that calls a woman in a bikini “goon bait” and call people who look at pornography “dgenerates”
or complaining about “unnecessary sex scenes” in movies because you are incapable of wrapping your head around sex not being an inherently lesser act, or that it could have any meaning outside of “make babies”
its the same exact bullshit used to oppress people for literal centuries just with a fresh coat of paint expunged by the exact same type of people
They mostly don’t no, they’re a tiny, tiny minority of consumerist society, but you especially attributing any current forms of sex negativity to puritanism is fallacious. Try talking about porn games in literally any country and see what happens.
“Damn, the puritans have infected China and Iran as well! Their reach has no bounds”
Edit: do not try to “out-woke” me, I played The Joy Of Sex on the Philips CD-i alone two nights ago. You cannot “sex-negative” me.
this is some “well um akshually the trump administration isnt fascist because its not literally part of the mid 1900s italian political party” levels of cope
thank you oh wise man for mansplaining to me how incredibly wrong i am because you cant accept that in almost 500 years you havent managed to come up with anything more original than the same talking points that the average 1600s christian espoused