• fox [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Pretty sure Jesus literally died to give everyone redemption or something and also said some stuff about rich people going straight into a ditch

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    u.s. christianity be like “imagine you’re in a domestically abusive relationship with the almighty, that would be so hot” but somehow we’re the deviants

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    I’m not saying they were good for much, but I feel like a grand inquisitor from medieval times would have good instincts when it comes to the proper response to this claim that Jesus was the ultimate usurer.

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      The more i read history, the more i understand that when the proto-protestant burghers complain about the evil arbitrariness and unjustness of Catholicism and the inquisition, they usual mean stuff like “i svammed some poor guy out of what little wealth he had and they said its unchristian and took my money and gave him it back even tho i didnt break a single law…”

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    Genuine demonic heresy in the big 2000s, oof mccrucified

    But seriously capitalist cults like this have to be destroyed root and stem, this shit is monstrous

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    lol, Amerikkkans are recreating Gnosticism, but adding “and that’s a good thing!” after everything:

    The god in the bible is actually a genocidal demiurge who will torment you for eternity if you don’t submit to him…and that’s a good thing!

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    What denomination is this not blasphemous in? (“Americhristianity,” yeah yeah I know, but this goes against most important American Christian theological movements too) The unworthiness of humanity, the fact that they cannot be brought to Heaven on a basis of “personal merit” alone, including faith as a merit here, but also require divine grace (literally explicitly “unearned reward”) to go to Heaven is a core idea of Christianity.

    Hope, Love, and Grindset, abide in these three, but the greatest of these is Grindset. – One Corinthian guy, I think.

    It’s silly for me to ask, because modern Christofascists love “God’s justice” as though His justice is His overriding organizing principal, which everything else is subordinated to, like they can fucking hustle their way to Heaven and the Covenant is actually the Art of the Deal. Absolute fucking freaks who willfully reject every good thing about their religion.

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      What denomination is this not blasphemous in? (“Americhristianity,” yeah yeah I know, but this goes against most important American Christian theological movements too)

      i know its not a denomination but more like a current in “americhristianity” but isnt this part of what calvinism was about or tried to do?

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        No, exactly the opposite. A core element of Calvinism is “unconditional election,” the idea that what you do fundamentally doesn’t have any causal factor in the decision of going to Heaven or Hell, but in fact it was God’s totally sovereign choice, his arbitrary will without constraint by any sort of other rule or principal, though I believe it was said that who was chosen could be known by God bestowing them with grace to have genuine faith and be redeemed in Christ (i.e. someone who dies a miserable heretic goes to Hell not because of their own agency but because God chose not to redeem them, which was reflected in their lack of faith in life).

        It is true that culturally there would still be ideas among Calvinists that good people are economically productive (a perversion of the idea of “works” in the Bible), and it’s debateable how committed the popular audience was to the true meaning of “unconditional election”, but still none of them would say that work is enough, that you don’t need the grace (unearned reward) of God regardless. So functionally, many people did believe in a combination of grace and works, but never in works alone beyond like an individual’s idiosyncrasies that would be cursed as heretical arrogance by the rest of the community.

        Some of this is definitely disconnected from a meaningful portion of Calvinist culture, but that’s to be expected when one talks about the opinions of theologians.

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah, I have no idea how confession has anything to do with merit. Nor how boundlessly love is anything but antithetical to the relentless competition (tendency towards monopoly and the violent enforcement thereof) of a market.

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    What is he babbling about? Capitalism isn’t meritocratic at all!

    Like how many times have the porks gave up the ghost that they care more about your pedigree?

    porky-scared-flipped: “It’s who you know, not what you know!”

    Hell, the civil rights movement has only been in effect for a fraction of capitalism’s history. What the hell is he talking about?

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      Akchewally sweaty networking is a skill. U gotta network with thw angels to get born in a capitalists family to win its just how the world always has and awlays will work…

      /s, but i have had several teachers give a “networking is a skill” spiel so its distressingly a common view

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        And I know damn well it’s just a new euphemism for discrimination.

        “Sorry kiddo. You’re just out-of-network! You see, I only hire my best buds! You gotta be buddy-buddy with rich people to get the job these days! Why are my friends all wealthy white men? Well, must be a coincidence.”