Not a continuity error specifically, but this has always irked me: In STIV, Kirk says that he and Spock are headed “back to San Francisco”, presumably from Sausalito. But anyone with a passing knowledge of geography can see from the position of the bridge behind them that they are, in that moment, standing in San Francisco. In fact, you can see Sausalito across the bay behind them.
I rewatched this movie recently and noticed this as well! Still one of my favorites.
Oh yes, definitely one of the greats!
have to open it in a new tab to see it more clearly idk why.
ok but the tos example was just that they found harry muds ship adrift in space.
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Looks good to me
Warp 10 and salamanders. Great examples 👌
But what about TNG 7x09, the one where we learn that warp travel damages subspace and that a warp speed limit is the solution?
Later, the Federation Council issues a new directive limiting all Federation vessels to a speed of warp five except in extreme emergencies.
Laughs in Janeway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
janeway? I don’t think ships stranded so far they are unlikely to get back are going to be obeying speed edicts. the whole setup is an extreme emergency.
Isnt the warp speed limit part of the in universe reason that Voyager has new variable nacelle geometry?
I had no idea they were related, but apparently they were (thanks 😉). But that too was soon retconned:
According to comments by Michael and Denise Okuda, when mentioning of the speed limit was abandoned a few years after “Force of Nature”, it was assumed that newer ships, such as the USS Voyager and USS Defiant, had improved environmentally friendly warp drive systems, that did not cause damage to the spatial continuum.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Variable_geometry_pylon
It’s technically not canon anyway, and I don’t really like it as an explanation, since we don’t see variable-geometry nacelles on other ships of the era.
Best to assume they solved the subspace damage problem through some other means, IMO.
I like to think a party got elected that felt warp speed tearing up subspace was a fakenewz hoax.
It’s not a continuity error as such, but I’m a big fan of all the technologies that by rights should have completely upended galactic civilization but then just get forgotten.
The Genesis device should be an appalling superweapon that would change the face of war.
And then those missiles from Generations that can kill an entire solar system should, too.
And the time on TNG that they stumbled on a weird transporter trick that could make it so no one would ever need to die of old age ever again.
And the Tribble blood that cures death.
And so forth.
you ever read bad space. he has a great one where they have something like a transporter so they start remaking everything but the brain to a younger pattern.
Don’t forget Doctor Giger’s Cellular Regeneration and Entertainment Chamber!
I’m watching VOY at the moment, and it makes no sense how Seven of Nine’s parents would have made contact with and been assimilated by the Borg, decades before Q threw the Enterprise-D across the galaxy to make (what we assumed to be) first contact with them.
In “Q who”, meeting the Borg is portrayed like blood in the water — now they have learned of the Federation, they will not stop until you are assimilated. Except oh wait, they did assimilate those three humans several years before, so they would have already known about the Federation.
Didn’t her parent seek out the borg? I am more confused on why the borg would send a drone from the alpha quadrant to the delta quadrant.
Even TNG is weird about that, since their method of attacking colonies is called out as being identical to the attacks along the Neutral Zone at the end of season one, so the Borg had been operating in the Federation and Romulans’ back yards for a while.
Yyyyeahhhh… 😬 That’s not exactly planned out.
Also, the idea that Borg are fine with other beings running around their ships as long as you don’t point a phaser at them, or other aggressive gesturing I suppose. That’s out the window by the time of VOY “Dark frontier”, Janeway and Tuvok are carrying phaser rifles at the ready all around the Borg sphere.
Weren’t the Borg originally meant to be those worm-parasite things?
That belief stems back to the publication of the Star Trek Chronology (2nd edition), and it might be true, but I’ve never actually seen direct confirmation from any of the writers involved.
The 2009 movie. Just, like, the whole thing.
(And I’m not even talking about differences between the JJ-verse and the “prime” timeline; I’m talking about shit not making any damn sense in the internal context of the plot. Kirk was a mutinous fuck-up cadet who should’ve been thrown out the airlock when Spock had the chance, not promoted straight from cadet to captain by the end of the movie!)
maybe its closer to the mmo universe where everyone goes from just graduating the academy as a ensign to being made leuitenant but given a command as part of it.
This could be argued to be a thing related to the split from the original timeline, but the Kelvin version of Chekov is born four years earlier than his original timeline counterpart.
So how big are DS9 and the Defiant actually? The scales were all over the place.
The warp scale changed. The Enterprise exceeded warp 10 several times in the Original Series. Then that infamous episode of Voyager claims that warp 10 is a theoretical limit which is difficult to reach and literally impossible to exceed.
Scotty was simply that good at tweaking the engines. That, or the crew were just playing to Kirk’s ego, pretending to go super fast à la "this amp goes to 11” while they trundled along at warp 7.
Moving at 10+ in TOS was always due to some alien influence or something. The Enterprise engines were definitely not capable of those speeds under normal conditions.
With that said, in TOS, warp 10+ is just “you are moving really fast”. But in VOY, warp 10 is “you are literally occupying every point in space simultaneously” and there is nothing past warp 10. It is a complete reimagining of the ceiling to warp speed. In TOS, it seemed there was no theoretical maximum warp speed, just like how there is no theoretical maximum to kilometers per hour. But by VOY, warp was capped at 10, and once you reached that speed, you became a salamander because reasons.
The best fan explanation for the retcon that I have seen to justify why the scale appears to differ in-universe is that they are genuinely different units. That at some time between TOS/VOY, scientists made some new breakthrough in their understanding of warp mechanics and discovered that there actually was a ceiling to warp speed. As such, they decided to change the standard warp units, making “warp 10” this new ceiling and everything else is just a fraction of that. According to this logic, when Scotty says “Wow, we are traveling at warp 30!” he is speaking in TOS-era warp units, which translates to just something like “warp 8” in VOY-era units.
Frankly, I never saw the salamander thing as a real downside to transwarp 🦎
Klingons look very different through the various shows. And more than just costuming progress of the time.
TOS:
TNG-era, the one I think most people would think of:
Discovery:
And the latest show, Academy, reverts back to TNG-era style Klingons.
Is the cannon explanation for tos to tng change being a skin disease or something that has infected the whole population?
No that is actually somewhat the explanation why they look more human. It is explained in Enterprise, the Klingons try to create some super soldier serum, but that kills them. Phlox helps them create a cure, but that makes them look more humanoid. I think at the end of the episode they say that it might take centuries to revert this effect
Enterprise established it as a result of Klingons experimenting with human augment DNA and it getting out of hand. It probably didn’t need to be addressed in universe, but I thought it was a fun retcon.
you mean like new zealand missing in first contact?
Obviously you’re going to cloak the facility where you keep your most hardened criminals.
elsewhere in the film, new zealand is on a map shown on a display.
Obviously you’re going to keep the facility where you keep their most hardened criminals in plain sight.
I contend that it is not actually missing, it’s just not visible from that perspective. When I recreate the shot in Google Earth only the extreme north tip of New Zealand is actually visible:
There’s a lot north of Auckland, its a 5 and a half hour drive to Cape Reinga
But I have to agree that it is barely visible.
I enjoyed a couple of seasons of Ben Sisko’s heavily-implied-to-be-dead dad.
How’s that?
It’s all in past tense until he shows up in the flesh.
“Emissary”: How about letting me cook dinner for you tonight? My father was a gourmet chef. I will make for you his famous aubergine stew.
“A Man Alone”: Every night in my house, my dad insisted that we have supper together as a family. He would try out his new recipes on us. He used to call us his test tasters.
“The Alternate”: When my father became ill, I can remember how small and weak he looked lying there in the bed. He’d been so strong, so independent. It always seemed to me there was nothing that he couldn’t do. But in the end, I realised that there was nothing that he could do, and nothing I could do to help him.
“Paradise”: Well, my father was a chef. He grew all his own vegetables. My brothers and I were sent out to the gardens every day.
I think he refers to the first season of DS9 where it was never explicitly mentioned that Joseph Sisko is well and alive (but neither was the opposite). He first appeared in season 4. He just doesn’t exist before that.
The church in Discovery.
I am convinced that they put it there without having an explanation yet, then forgot they did it when they made the explanation.
What? It was explained that the church and the people in it were yanked from certain destruction in WWIII to Terralysium by the red angel. It is spelled out in the season arc.
You don’t like Disco, fine. But your lack of attention to the story is not the show’s fault.
The red angel, who is supposed to be either Burnham or her mother, and neither of them had a reason to go back in time to save a random church, and teleport it to a random planet. Also absolutely no mention of how they would achieve such a thing.
Gabrielle basically used the church as an experiment in altering history.
Time’s motion depends on the observer, on the action. The people I was able to move from Earth to Terralysium, as they call my planet, are thriving. Their survival means that time is fluid. The future can be changed. Maybe the past, as well.
It feels a bit pulled out of nowhere though. If it was the plan from the start, it’s not very good writing.
Ugh, Discovery just made no sense in a million ways. My (least) favorite is how Control was sentient AI like a century before Data was a thing, or even M-5. That and every time Section 31 was acknowledged as Starfleet black ops instead of a rogue agency of assholes.
Let’s not forget the part where they want to go in the future to stop control because they think they can’t destroy it, then control gets destroyed, then they go in the future anyway.
Also, I don’t think any star trek depicted section 31 in a way that didn’t make the show worse, but Discovery really went the extra mile
I think DS9 did Section 31 right, as the bad guys to be foiled, as anathema to Starfleet’s ideals, but yeah every other show seems to miss the point.
The best part of DS9’s Section 31 was that Section 31 knew they were the bad guys too.
I mean, they were still trying to show it as James Bond-cool (which I mean, works if you see that James Bond is pretty problematic, but most people don’t)… They were shown as a bit evil, but also as the “cool, edgy dudes that do what needs to be done”, but other shows managed to do worse somehow.
All I know is that Sisko, Bashir, and O’Brien all identify Section 31 as non-Starfleet assholes that need to be stopped at all costs. Discovery has Pike practically saluting Section 31 genocidal Empress Georgiou and revering the black badges in a way I’ll never forgive it for.
Well, Lower Decks maybe almost improved on that formula? And with a fun little joke about the black badges, too.
