Ugh, Discovery just made no sense in a million ways. My (least) favorite is how Control was sentient AI like a century before Data was a thing, or even M-5. That and every time Section 31 was acknowledged as Starfleet black ops instead of a rogue agency of assholes.
Let’s not forget the part where they want to go in the future to stop control because they think they can’t destroy it, then control gets destroyed, then they go in the future anyway.
Also, I don’t think any star trek depicted section 31 in a way that didn’t make the show worse, but Discovery really went the extra mile
Yeah, and they also seem believable as a rogue clandestine agency that the Federation is ok with having on “their side”.
Unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, the Federation has plausible deniability regarding the use of Section 31. Few powers seem to even know the agency exists.
And unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, Section 31 does a good job at being a clandestine agency. The Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar’s response to the Founders was to build a lot of ships to bomb a homeworld, something outside their expertise that gets them destroyed. Section 31, instead, genetically engineers a virus that attacks the Founders, a virus so effective that the cure is used as a bargaining chip in getting the Dominion to stop the war.
I mean, they were still trying to show it as James Bond-cool (which I mean, works if you see that James Bond is pretty problematic, but most people don’t)… They were shown as a bit evil, but also as the “cool, edgy dudes that do what needs to be done”, but other shows managed to do worse somehow.
All I know is that Sisko, Bashir, and O’Brien all identify Section 31 as non-Starfleet assholes that need to be stopped at all costs. Discovery has Pike practically saluting Section 31 genocidal Empress Georgiou and revering the black badges in a way I’ll never forgive it for.
What? It was explained that the church and the people in it were yanked from certain destruction in WWIII to Terralysium by the red angel. It is spelled out in the season arc.
You don’t like Disco, fine. But your lack of attention to the story is not the show’s fault.
The red angel, who is supposed to be either Burnham or her mother, and neither of them had a reason to go back in time to save a random church, and teleport it to a random planet. Also absolutely no mention of how they would achieve such a thing.
Gabrielle basically used the church as an experiment in altering history.
Time’s motion depends on the observer, on the action. The people I was able to move from Earth to Terralysium, as they call my planet, are thriving. Their survival means that time is fluid. The future can be changed. Maybe the past, as well.
Lmao it’s Star Trek, of course the writing isn’t good. You guys claim to love all the shit writing in other Trek shows, so why do so many of you shit on Discovery for ir in particular, I wonder?
There’s a lot of shit writing in all the star treks (less so in lower decks maybe) but discovery is consistently, deeply badly written, and in ways that often have a pretty bad underlying meaning.
And also, people complain on Discovery for different reasons. Nazis find it too woke because they don’t pretend that lgbt people don’t exist, I find it fakely woke but actually discriminating against minorities while pretending to defend them.
In a way, Discovery is a shittily written, enlightened-centrist version of star trek, so I think it’s good that people shit on it. Now people should obviously shit on a lot of other star treks like Enterprise and Picard, but I’m certainly not going to stop shitting on discovery in the meanwhile.
The church in Discovery.
I am convinced that they put it there without having an explanation yet, then forgot they did it when they made the explanation.
Ugh, Discovery just made no sense in a million ways. My (least) favorite is how Control was sentient AI like a century before Data was a thing, or even M-5. That and every time Section 31 was acknowledged as Starfleet black ops instead of a rogue agency of assholes.
Let’s not forget the part where they want to go in the future to stop control because they think they can’t destroy it, then control gets destroyed, then they go in the future anyway.
Also, I don’t think any star trek depicted section 31 in a way that didn’t make the show worse, but Discovery really went the extra mile
I think DS9 did Section 31 right, as the bad guys to be foiled, as anathema to Starfleet’s ideals, but yeah every other show seems to miss the point.
The best part of DS9’s Section 31 was that Section 31 knew they were the bad guys too.
Yeah, and they also seem believable as a rogue clandestine agency that the Federation is ok with having on “their side”.
Unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, the Federation has plausible deniability regarding the use of Section 31. Few powers seem to even know the agency exists.
And unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, Section 31 does a good job at being a clandestine agency. The Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar’s response to the Founders was to build a lot of ships to bomb a homeworld, something outside their expertise that gets them destroyed. Section 31, instead, genetically engineers a virus that attacks the Founders, a virus so effective that the cure is used as a bargaining chip in getting the Dominion to stop the war.
I mean, they were still trying to show it as James Bond-cool (which I mean, works if you see that James Bond is pretty problematic, but most people don’t)… They were shown as a bit evil, but also as the “cool, edgy dudes that do what needs to be done”, but other shows managed to do worse somehow.
All I know is that Sisko, Bashir, and O’Brien all identify Section 31 as non-Starfleet assholes that need to be stopped at all costs. Discovery has Pike practically saluting Section 31 genocidal Empress Georgiou and revering the black badges in a way I’ll never forgive it for.
Well, Lower Decks maybe almost improved on that formula? And with a fun little joke about the black badges, too.
What? It was explained that the church and the people in it were yanked from certain destruction in WWIII to Terralysium by the red angel. It is spelled out in the season arc.
You don’t like Disco, fine. But your lack of attention to the story is not the show’s fault.
The red angel, who is supposed to be either Burnham or her mother, and neither of them had a reason to go back in time to save a random church, and teleport it to a random planet. Also absolutely no mention of how they would achieve such a thing.
Gabrielle basically used the church as an experiment in altering history.
It feels a bit pulled out of nowhere though. If it was the plan from the start, it’s not very good writing.
Lmao it’s Star Trek, of course the writing isn’t good. You guys claim to love all the shit writing in other Trek shows, so why do so many of you shit on Discovery for ir in particular, I wonder?
There’s a lot of shit writing in all the star treks (less so in lower decks maybe) but discovery is consistently, deeply badly written, and in ways that often have a pretty bad underlying meaning.
And also, people complain on Discovery for different reasons. Nazis find it too woke because they don’t pretend that lgbt people don’t exist, I find it fakely woke but actually discriminating against minorities while pretending to defend them.
In a way, Discovery is a shittily written, enlightened-centrist version of star trek, so I think it’s good that people shit on it. Now people should obviously shit on a lot of other star treks like Enterprise and Picard, but I’m certainly not going to stop shitting on discovery in the meanwhile.