Kate Wilson won a legal battle against the Metropolitan Police after discovering her long-term boyfriend was an undercover officer
All I need to do is join a bunch of leftist organizations and the state will assign me a sexual partner?
Incels hate this one simple trick!
Less than £300k for a year of repeated rape by fraud? And no charges for the officer? Sounds like imperialism to me.
This is one of my fears. I can’t imagine the betrayal and lack of ethics. I can’t imagine a person who would sell their souls to date someone they hate like this. Just thinking about it ugh! I’m in a community with a bunch of degenerates and sometimes I’ve dated guys who just seem to be lying through their teeth that they like me. I stopped frequenting their bars. Doesn’t help when the photographer at events is an undercover cop. I’m not the one in biker gangs but I stopped going because of all the fake suspicion. Still I’d need soooooo much therapy. I hope she got a huuuuge settlement.
If they slept together he raped her with government backing
Kennedy, who resigned from the Met in 2010, had sexual relationships with as many as 10 other women while undercover.
Maybe not as huge as it should be but
In 2021, the Investigatory Powers Tribunal (IPT) ordered the Met Police and NPCC to pay a total of £229,471 to Ms Wilson “by way of just satisfaction for the breaches of her human rights”
Not nearly enough.
I hope a sincere apology was included in that as well.
and some goddam alimony, not from the state either, from the cop.
They were required to apologise also, although sincerity cannot be ensured.
Edit: Or rather, the Met police and NPCC have apologised, it seems like the officer has not and generally shows no remorse.
Believe it or not, Mark Kennedy is my brother in law.
He’s a bit full of himself, and it’s weird when this comes up in the news cycle.
He wrote a book about his experiences, but it wasn’t taken up with the publisher because he essentially didn’t express regret.
Of course he didn’t regret anything. ACAB
He should have been charged. The fact that none of the legal avenues have involved him is obscene.
“It is important to note that since Mark Kennedy’s deployment there has been enormous change in undercover policing, both in the Met and nationally, and I want to be clear that this case in no way reflects modern-day undercover policing.”
Press X to doubt.
This makes me feel sick
I had a deadbeat housemate once who claimed to have been visited by two special branch cops who offered to arrange him a sexual partner in return for spying on the local anti-war group he was in. This seemed ludicrous at the time, as the group would gather outside the town hall in small numbers and sing “No More Blood For Oil” all in different keys, but in the light of this story (which had been known for quite a while now) it absolutely tracks with the tactics it turned out they’d been using.
Incels just need to pretend to be leftists and then they’ll get their government mandated GF.
Have you seen them try and talk to women it’s embarrassing. They usually last about 15 minutes and then they call somebody “female”, or something and they can’t work out what went wrong.
They would be amusingly crap spies. You could probably keep them in your midst and just talk coded language, and they probably wouldn’t pick up on it.
This is awful, but I wonder what is technically illegal about it. It is a misleading and manipulative lie, but it’s not illegal to lie about personal topics, I don’t think.
It’s fucking rape.
If a woman has sex with me (hypothetically) because she saw me wearing expensive clothes, but later it turns out they were cheap imitations, that would be misleading, but not rape.
Maybe, when you start arguing that an immoral act is not technically rape, you should simply not do that.
Rape by deception is rape, plain and clear. Why did you pick a scenario where you didn’t lie, and try to compare it to someone who spun up an entirely new person out of thin air?
If he was asked if he got money and said yes, would that then be rape?
I’m trying to understand where the line is. Obviously in this story, the cop raped them, but I’m not sure it’s as clean cut for every situation.I’m not incredibly interested in pondering hypothetical questions. Rape is a complicated topic and the existence of a grey area doesn’t mean that everything is a grey area.
If someone lies to their victim about every single part of their personal life and history, while they ostensibly think their victim is a criminal and are acting as an agent of state to arrest them, their friends, and stop a cause they believe strongly in, convincing them to participate in sex is immoral. If someone wants to “devil’s advocate” they can do so with their therapist.
Bit late but I’m not here to play devil’s advocate or ponder hypotheticals.
How we define laws and crimes do have an impact on people (look at the UK definition of rape) as well as how we can pursue and convict criminals in a court of law.
Depending on how you frame the law and the accusations, this guy could be set free or rightfully put in jail.
As horrible this is (as owl said) how do you figure out it is rape?
Edit: fucking sorry for asking a question, that’s too much for you it seems. “Everything is rape” isn’t the answer ffs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception
False name, false life story, false reason for having sex with her. He had sex with her in order to spy on her.
Roger Dutton sentenced a 25-year-old woman, Gayle Newland, to eight years in prison for pretending to be a man
Soon: it was rape because I thought he was nice.
If everything is rape, then nothing is. Rape is about non-consent, not about deception. Or so I think.
consent doesn’t just mean “yes”… consent means informed consent… consent means non-coerced consent
my state in australia has recently implemented some fantastic new laws around consent, and have done a really good job of defining some very grey areas
https://www.respectvictoria.vic.gov.au/news/affirmative-consent
specifically the section about when someone can not consent is relevant here. it covers things like coercion, feeling like you can’t withdraw consent, abuse of authority (ie covers workplace sexual harassment), age, asleep/unconscious (regardless of previous consent), AND most importantly:
Despite what a person might like to hear, they haven’t received affirmative consent if:
…
- their partner cannot consent – including because of:
- … being mistaken about the identity of any other person involved
and in case you think that’s too restrictive, the laws have widely been praised by the BDSM and kink communities - places where non-verbal consent is common… they cover a lot of ways people might consent, and also withdraw consent
the issue with identity is that she would not have consented if she knew all the details - facts which the man kept from her, knowing that if she knew she would likely not consent
and that’s key: to consent, you have to have all the information available at the time
- their partner cannot consent – including because of:
You cant consent during deception. If your gf has aids and doesnt tell you, then you didnt consent. That is both the legal and culutral definition of rape.
Giving someone aids isnt rape, it’s like saying “she shot me during sex so it must be rape”.
Wtf is this? The British version of Gestapo’s joy division? Fucking disgusting. Intelligence agencies shouldn’t exist outside war scenarios or valid EXTERNAL threats.
You see, that’s the difference between US and UK - the so called “Gestapo’s joy division” stops a lot of extremist plots. That’s why you have Trump and we don’t.
Happens a lot in Spain.
There has been a lot cases of police officers infiltrating left and social movements, male and female, and “failing in love” with people inside them. Just off the top of my head, there is a case of female cop that was caught by her partner after 4 years of relationship and before getting married; an another one where a male cop infiltrated different associations and literally fucked his way up to the intel, tricking women and having them have (consent) sex with him. This one his awaiting trial because after finding out the girls sued him for sexual abuse, but i doubt it will go anywhere knowing how justice works here.
You cannot obtain consent by deceit. That’s rape.
Speaking only about the legal sense here, most places do not recognize that. If you are of sound mind and body, not under the influence of drugs, extortion, etc, then the consent is valid.
Part of the problem is that everyone is at least a little deceitful, and these have been used in courts to claim rape. I remember a case about the use of makeup (deceiving about her actual looks and genetics), and another about being the “wrong” ethnicity. Where is the line for the courts to be involved?
holy shit its british Point Break
(no surfing of course because england)
Check out Cornwall
i’ll surf with a pasty any time
What in the Pyong Yang?
If this sort of thing happened in Korea we’d be hearing of it every day for years. Unfortunately this is a UK/US Phenomenon.
Insert UK for America, but you get the idea.
It was more a comment on analog regimes that inspire household level paranoia.
What I had really wanted to say was “What in the Enver Hoxha?” But I expected that reference to Europe’s most North Korean-style regime to miss.
The fact that you see this kind of thing as “North Korean style” is the issue. Essentially treating it like its a natural part of the oriental nature but foreign to the western one, and it showing up in the West is the West degenerating to be like Asians.
Europeans have been doing this kind of shit long, long before North Korea ever existed.
I understand what you’re saying. To be fair, my anchor point is oppressive socialist regimes writ large circa 1944-1990. Kim Il Sung predated Enver Hoxha in terms of models and tactics. Hoxha’s governance style changed over about a decade or two to distance Albania from Yugoslavia and the USSR and emulate North Korea.
By no means do I think it’s an “Asian” thing. Honestly, that’s a silly premise when I’m talking about a single country of 26 million out of 4.7 billion people. NK might barely round up to 1% of the population of Asia, so how is that exactly painting the whole continent? But between Hoxha-era Albania and North Korea, North Korea still exists in largely the same state. So it’s easier to reference as a standard right now.
You could just say “I’m a white supremacist”, that would save us a lot of time.
oh fuck off, i was with you until this point. yea I dont like seeing my country being used as the benchmark for when the west does shitty things. but OP gave a pretty measured response to you guys frankly blowing it out of proportion, and was thoughtful, patient, and non defensive.
and then you reply like a fucking twelve year old, obviously not having read any of it. go back to hexbear with the other juveniles.
I agree that I think it’s silly to draw everything back to “Orientalism”.
I would just say that North Korea and Enver Hoxha were/are based and good, actually.
That’s truly awful, ACAB.
However, I do want to let any of our new glowies know I personally give prior consent to be honeypotted by cuties who buy me nice things.
might wanna look up what “glowie” means and how it started buddy. it’s not something you wanna be throwing around
Looked it up… idk this doesn’t feel like a problem? Yeah, the related term is absolutely a problem, but this seems like a sanitized version that’s meant to portray the same core meaning without the racial slur?
I could very well be wrong of course, I don’t have much more context than an extremely quick search so please correct me if I’m wrong.
