If you make the 1st Amendment illegal, the rest of the Constitution cannot be far behind.
if? people have already been blackbagged for their speech. this is just encoding something already in effect.
5 Democrats are cosponsors:
- Josh Gottheimer - NJ-5
- Jared Moskowitz - FLA-23
- Joseph Morrell - NY-25
- Donald Davis - NC-1
- Laura Gillen - NY-4
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/867/all-info
Dear lord. Why are Dems getting involved in pushing fascism?
There have always been liberal collaborators to fascism, this isn’t new.
Yes, which is why we should vote against democrats forever!!!
TRUMP 2028!!!
Edit: Y’All learned nothing from history.
German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.
The German communists went in the oven because the German liberals betrayed their country, empowering nazis to secure their own positions. The idea that ‘the nazis using communists as an excuse to do a fascism is the communists fault’ is 80 year old fascist propaganda.
German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.
Lmao. Yep, but not the liberal collaborators. Convenient for them, too - not just because they didn’t die but because they got rid of those pesky communists.
Who said all Democrats? These specific few are voting against us.
they dont care about the fascism aspect, they care that it guarantees them their seats, just like %90 of all the politicians.
Are they considered Isreali products🤔
Yes. You will be required by law to purchase Josh Gottheimer.
Prime list of people to oust in the primaries
How do you outlaw a boycott? It’s not an act, it’s a non-act. An absence of a purchase. How do you distinguish boycott from just not buying something you don’t want or need like any other item. Are we going to be required to put so much of our purchases toward Isreal now?
Ding ding ding.
This is how they “lawfully” throw “dissidents” into the gulag.
Remember…most of what Hitler did was technically legal and above-board. Because they controlled the laws and shaped them as they saw fit.
Wrong think will be punished
In other words, yes, precisely, they’re trying to sus out heretics. Don’t want to be mistaken for one? Perform the rites publicly, then.
Not just show your papers, show your recent Israel approved consumer good purchases!
You outlaw a boycott by using violence against those who promote the boycott. It’s not even anything new. Many states have already been doing this. Not to mention recent disappearances of anti-genocide activists.
Violence in service of hegemony is almost the entire purpose of the state.
the state wants to lock you up, figures out you don’t drink coca cola, You’re on trial for not buying Coca-Cola, or Nestle, or never tried Sabras hummus… straight to jail.
The bill got pulled!
For now. Let’s see what happens when it’s budget time again. They’ll probably bury it in there because we live in hell.
Yep, how the government works. Keep spamming a bill that the general public doesn’t want until it sticks. But then no such efforts to repeal it and we’re stuck with the flaming piece of shit.
Good. Holy 💩
How tf can u ban a boycott, how is that even possible let alone provable 🤦 Politics aside if I js don’t like a brand that endorses or has ties to Israel would I then be subject to charges. How u trynna force people to buy from certain companies, what if I was bruk, would I be breaking the law? 🤡
This will probably be used to target protestors and organizers of political movements.
Yeah, the boycott itself can’t reasonably be prosecuted. But it can be used to suppress discussion (e.g. organization, coordination) of said boycott.
it will probably use to target protestors, and groups criticial of israel.
Excuse me I saw you drinking flat water where is your soda stream ice this one get this one
You remember that first amendment thing we used to have here?
Yeah… neither does our government
How do you enforce anti boycott, how do you force someone to spend their money?
Dont get me wrong Ill know they will try again, but wow.
If you’re an American paying taxes you can’t boycott Israel. It doesn’t even need to be a law.
Seems like they’re trying to turn boycott in to a dirty word.
Yes yes I know where my tax dollars go, thank you. Well, ok actually not entirely, but yes to fund the irl fucking evil empire.
But boycotts make me think of private citzens not buying a product, or from a store or provider, etc.
America can’t be taken seriously anymore.
It’s a good thing Russia gave half of a wakeup call to the rest of the free world to arm the fuck up 3 years ago. We know America can’t be relied on for anything anymore.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Because republicans care so much about laws they don’t agree with.
And the USSC has definitely ruled that money is equivalent to speech. So boycott activity is logically covered under this Amendment.
If this law passes, a lot of people are going to have a rough year or two until they can get a case all the way to the Supreme Court.
Didn’t CU rule that spending money is free speech? So isn’t compelling the spending of money compelling speech? Sounds straight up unconstitutional.(as if that fucking matters these days)
Rich people spending money is free speech.
Anti-genocide activists not spending money is terrorism.
AKA the usual.
Wait, doesn’t your argument support their bill?
They’re agreeing with you; they are suggesting that convincing people of what to do with their money is infringing on their “speech.”
My argument is that republicans are never consistent with their policies.
Spending isn’t free speech. The government cannot compell speech. This doesn’t not mean that the government can compell spending (I mean, it sorta can with taxes and fines, but it can’t compell spending to select businesses, markets or groups.)
Nazi America
Brought to you by millions of fascist fucks, including your own family and friends.
Buy a gun.
Hey big shoutout to all the Redditors and Lemmy guys who told me that we can have no restrictions on free speech because if we restrict Nazis they will restrict us if they ever gain power.
Welp, here ya go…like I told you…and many of you blocked and/or banned me for saying it. Ironic.
The bill got pulled. And even if it didn’t it’s such a blatant and egregious violation of 1A that even Trump’s pet judges would have to shoot it down out of fear of the precedent it would set and what would happen if ever they lose power for any length of time.
That’s the conversation I’ve been having with some people cheering on Trump’s immigration moves. I’ve pointed out the machine the individual bricks seems to be building, and when they support that too because Trump will only use it on the “right sort of people” I point out that Trump won’t be in power forever, and ask him what he’d think if someone like Harris or AOC had that same power. That’s when they suddenly get it, because the idea that the same machinery could be brought against them is not something they consider.
The first question you should ask when considering “Should the government have this power?” is “If the people I oppose the very most had this power, what would they do with it?” If you’re not OK with the answer to that, then the government shouldn’t have that power.
You’ll never easily get through to those people. They hold idealism over material reality in many cases.
The best way I’ve found to get even some of them to at least stop and think for a minute is to ask if preventing people from doing things like:
- Screaming slurs next to a preschool
- Publishing deliberately false information to ruin someone’s reputation
- Doxxing someone who was mean to you
…is justified. If they say yes, then maybe unlimited free speech isn’t perfect, and restricting Nazis could be justified. If they say no, then you’ll know they’re a lost cause.
Is the problem the speech or the people tbat speak it?
Great question. Intention matters, so many countries focus on speech that can only be malicious, like incitement to violence in the UK or Nazi salutes in Germany.
People ready and willing to spread violent, harmful hate can be dealt with via the laws they violate. Assult, battey, stalking, theft, etc.
The subtle side is, as always, if your speech cannot persuade the (large) majority that the opposition speech is wrong, then to dismiss the opposition is to become the oppressing minority.
5 bucks says the people who told you that were, in fact, nazis
Hard to say. They mostly seemed like college liberals still living at home
been my experience that that people saying “We have to protect the nazis” are either nazis, or nazis pretending to be their idea of librul to infiltrate,
I have a relevant cartoon that I cant post for some reason…will try again…
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The markdown for the pic is slightly incorrect and causing problems on my app so here’s the fix:
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Any government that tells you what you can complain about
Is by definition a Totalerian government
Worse than that - they’re trying to tell us what we can spend our money on.
Which according to the horse shit Citizens United ruling is free speech for corporations. But not the people in em I guess.
This is brilliant, you could have the gestasi inspecting everyone at the checkouts at a supermarket, and if you don’t buy a Sodastream cartridge, you get disappeared.
(Sodastream is an Israeli company, and used to manufacture their machines in an industrial park in an Israeli settlement on the West Bank)
Sodastream is an Israeli company
I didn’t know that. Good thing I’ve been boycotting their cylinders for years.
This will go down in flames.
