Me playing modded Minecraft:
What was the disable jetpack button again?
Keeb goes hard ngl
What is that beautiful monstrosity?
Try DCS.
I see a distinct lack of F13-F15, assuming 1.12.2 or 1.7.10 (1.13 and newer added F16-F25)
I literally will not ever daily use a keyboard if it doesn’t have a number pad.
Any time I’m forced to temporarily use anything without a num pad I feel like I’m driving a car that’s missing half it’s steering wheel or something. It just feels wrong.
I downsized a while back due to switching to a smaller desk, and it does feel weird.
I can input lots of numbers very fast without looking down with a num pad. I cannot do that with the number row. I have to look down at some point and it’s much slower.
Amen.
I’ve been using a wireless mechanical 100% keyboard for years. Love it so much I bought a duplicate, so I have a spare when it’s time to run one through the dishwasher!
The…the what now?
You’ve never cleaned your keyboard in the dishwasher?
Hot water, don’t use detergent, and let any washed electronics dry completely before use is the method I use.
just map it to a layer bro
While I love my full-sized keyboard, respectfully - who cares. The whole idea of a PC is the freedom to use whatever you want.
Keyboards, controllers, speech to text, a wii-mote, literal bananas/bread, eye/blink trackers, whatever suits you best. Insisting there’s a best device for everyone doesn’t change people’s minds and just leads to hostility when we should be glad more people are using the device that makes them happy. One day you might be one of them when your circumstances or preferences change.
Full-size is objectively superior, everything else is a mitigation for sub-optimal circumstances.
If you have reduced desk space and need to conserve your keyboard size to allow more room for a mouse then absolutely, pick as small a keyboard as you’re comfortable with to get sufficient mousing space.
Anything beyond that is subjective personal preference, which again I have no qualms with, but calling it better without further qualification is going to invite incredulity.
If a full-sized keyboard provides all the keys you reasonably need to do your tasks efficiently, then yes a full-sized keyboard is superior. But that is just not the use case for everyone, hence why it can’t be objectively so. Unless you want to imply that more keys even if you don’t need them is better anyways.
If so, you could argue this monstrosity of a keyboard (or something even bigger) is what everyone should be using if they have the space, since it has way more buttons than a full-sized keyboard, making it even more objectively superior. In reality you would not use more than 30% of the buttons on that keyboard, so the rest might as well not exist. But if you are, I don’t know, some macro-wizard playing 4 instances of WoW at the same time, maybe it is objectively superior for your needs, but for me a normal sized keyboard would do.
But to try and sense where you’re coming from, it should also be said that someone telling you their choice is better and disregarding that your criteria aren’t the same as theirs is being silly as well. And sometimes they can be stubborn and agitated about that as well - exactly the kind of hostility I meant in my initial comment. But someone’s got to step up and swallow their pride and accept it really is just all subjective at the end of the day.
My biggest problem with that “monstrosity” is that it’s ortholinear.
You imply that such a thing being “optimal” is absurd, but if you had infinite usable desk space then what, exactly, would be the argument against it? If space is not a consideration then what does it matter if you don’t use every key?
Lots of people like smaller keyboards, and that’s perfectly fine. I get it as an aesthetic choice, and for many people it may not impact their daily use at all. But you will not convince me that removing the option of having additional keys for binding is a non-zero cost, even if they’re not currently being used.
For what it’s worth, I never used anything like that monstrosity, but I was quite happy with my G15 for the time that I had it which had 18 additional keys, plus media control, over a typical full size.
the main advantage of full sized keebs iirc is that some programs have key combos involving F keys or home/end and don’t support changing the mapping (Minecraft shakes fist at sky F3+g)
That’s true, and if that’s the case then that definitely changes the choice. Although, afaik these smaller keyboards often come with software to remap keys or add macro’s at the driver level. (And for this choice specifically, 75% keyboard and higher do seem to mostly have both F keys and home/end). But yeah, some people’s use consist of just writing emails and streaming video, in which case they won’t care about any of that.
No one has discussed split keyboards, which offer all the benefits of a full size and addresses ergonomic concerns across the board. Need only half your keyboard today? Done and done.
Need ALL the keyboard, we gotchu.
Anything without a numeric pad is specifically for children.
I’m a StarCraft player, which means that I do not need the numkeys and absolutely have a mental disorder. Why do I do this to myself? Mama Mia 😞
I spent 30 years thinking someday I’d start using the number pad and then finally gave up. I like having the typing part centered more.
The number pad only ever became relevant to me after decades when I began playing video games that have more keybindings than I have brain cells. Caves Of Qud makes use of basically the the whole number pad just to manually move in 8 different directions.
Caves of Qud annoyed me with that, but I got vim-ish movement keys worked out instead. Normal hjkl, bnyu for diagonals, took a bit but now it’s second nature
Do you people never do any actual work on your computers?
I have body parts that are less important to me than my numpad.
Tkl/80 is my preferred size
I’m a full TKL man myself. I don’t mind the space, just don’t like using space for stuff I never use.
Exactly. For me it’s closer to 40 years and I don’t think I ever used the number pad more than ten times. Tenkeyless is just better, unless you’re an accountant.
You have left out galaxy brain giant IBM model M. (Not more keys, but thicc keys.)
It’s not just the size. It’s also the way the sound of typing will bother everyone else in the room.
How about the superior 122 key Model F“To use this feature, simply press the F213 key.”
(unfolds paper keyboard map)
(moves finger around for five minutes searching)
Ah, okay. There it is. (tap)
My account is too new to post an image, so here is a link instead:
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You can inline images like this:
becomes:
When Neil Pert needs an office day.
That setup uses pedals ffs. no thoughts empty head
tkl || gtfo
I’m not even represented. 40 % anyone? nobody?
I didn’t even know 40% exists and has to look it up. I hate to say this to you, but I’m not sure this is going to work out between us.
There’s a couple 40%-ers in the comments but not nearly enough. It took me years to learn to properly type, but once I did, I fell in love with a 40%. There’s some cool designs out there for small keyboards, like the Minimi 40 with a combination lid & wrist rest (not released yet, but it’ll be glorious once it’s finally available).
The fuck do you people need the num pad on your daily driver? Are you all deviant accountants or retro computer enthusiasts typing in code from magazines?
I use it to type numbers
To remap the numlock off keys as a macropad.
Entering IP addresses for work (mostly network info for printers tbh), and a decent amount of games use it for flight.
Camera/perspective controls in blender
I’m too new to upload so look up 5 column corne keyboard
https://images.app.goo.gl/tauZ
Huh, not my preferred method. I wish I learned typing on Dvorak, but I use a 96% ANSI keychron and I’m pleased with it.
Yep, typing this on a Corne-ish Zen. Funnily enough saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTI6WUJxD4 yesterday and my first thought was “No. ALL my keys get to work hard!”
you can link external images like so
100% or bust!
Get a larger desk. No way I’m typing numbers not on a keypad
I’m pulling my separate numpad out when I know I’ll be entering a lot of numbers. Or reach over to it when I enter a PIN from muscle memory. Otherwise I toss it to the side.
I use this occasionally when i need to do a lot of number typing whilst using my mouse so i can relax my arm to the side rather than reaching across the KB and straining the muscle behind my shoulderblade.
I don’t need the numpad. But no function keys? That’s insane.
They just become like laptops with a Fn+# key. It’s not like they are ‘gone’. Same thing with home/end/etc.
I need my 60% to stop my mouse bumping into my keyboard. Pains of a slow sens
Just for the few games that either have so many controls (eg. GTA V) or so many actions (eg. modded MC), ≥ 100% is mandatory for me.
What is a greater than 100% keyboard?
