The Debian Publicity Team is stepping away from X/Twitter, citing concerns over values and diversity.
  • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
    1163·
    6 days ago

    Personally, I think that the discussion around this will evolve as the news spreads, but I agree with Robert on this one. Sure, X/Twitter has become a less welcoming place than before, but shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Nah, I think I’m cool if Debian doesn’t respect the input of Nazi sympathisers.

    • patatahooligan@lemmy.world
      40·
      6 days ago

      Yeah, that section is bad.

      For one, it’s has classic vibe “if you want to keep the nazis out, you’re the one who’s exclusionary”.

      But also, how is refusing to engage on a platform “shutting out a significant portion of [the] community”? That sounds backwards to me. Blocking people from engaging with Debian on its own platforms would be shutting them out. The implication in the article is that Debian is obligated to be unconditionally present on every social platform its users might be on.

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
        12·
        6 days ago

        The other twist is, unlike Xitter, you don’t have to create an account on Mastodon to be able to read their feed. You can access it like any other website. So nobody is getting shut out. They’re just posting elsewhere, where anyone can read it.

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      20·
      6 days ago

      Yeah what the fuck is with that.

      It’s a very twitter centric view of the web. If you’re not on xitter you’re “shutting out a significant portion”.

      The thing is, it’s not simply that Musk has an ideology that is disparate from my own, he has an agenda that is egregiously contrary to the stated values of the Debian project.

      You’d consult with the community over a new logo or blog layout maybe, but on whether to assist Musk in his far right agenda there’s not really any decision to be made honestly.

  • JoshCodes@programming.devEnglish
    52·
    6 days ago

    I keep making the incorrect assumption that everyone has already left X. Just seems common sense we’ve hit all hands abandon ship

      • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        ok, that’s just hilarious :P

        The equivalent of IE being the last one to move to the fediverse lol

    • nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br
      4·
      6 days ago

      Never underestimate the network effect and how reluctant people are to move to another social network. The masses just follow the crowd, so every big account moving out from there helps take more users away.

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      There are lots of brands and people still on X and try to justify it with hand waving.

      • Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        7·
        6 days ago

        The problem is for organizations it’s harder to leave because that is where the people you want to reach are. That’s the only reason any org or company is on social media in the first place. If they leave too soon they risk too many people not seeing the things they send out to the community.

        It’s more an individual thing because so many people just have social inertia and haven’t left since everyone they know is already there. The first to leave have to decide if they want to juggle using another platform to keep connections or cut off connections by abandoning the established platform.

          • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
            32·
            6 days ago

            If I ran an org, that needed to reach a community of say… 1000 people in need, and 900 of those people were ONLY on twitter, guess what?

            That org needs to be on twitter, even if President Musk is profiting from it. Otherwise, the org would be remiss in their mission.

    • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
      6·
      6 days ago

      Its that social inertia, and I get it.

      I ran a neighborhood group’s social media, and even after FB turned openly shitty, I had to stay on there, because thats where people are.

      I mean, I could have pushed the org to drop them, but then we would have lost the eyeballs of thousands of neighbor’s we’re trying to work FOR.

      Same deal with Twitter, they’ve just gotten to the point where most NPOs lose less by leaving than they would by staying.

  • That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml
    33·
    6 days ago

    As it turns out, having an account on a social media platform full of Nazis, violent racists, and child diddlers is not good for business.

  • Jhex@lemmy.world
    201·
    6 days ago

    I didn’t really need another reason to love Debian more but here we are… I’m donating to Debian today

  • Glitterkoe@lemmy.world
    23·
    6 days ago

    Good for them. It’s an organisation’s free choice to pick the platforms they post and interact on, if any. Their presence is a service in itself while there are plenty of other ways to follow or reach them if needed.

  • slazer2au@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    6 days ago

    The reasoning behind this move is said to be X/Twitter not being in line with Debian’s shared values

  • RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works
    19·
    6 days ago

    I don’t like how people are trying to stir up dissent and drama around this. The message posted is short and on point, it includes all the important bits. There really isn’t much more to add.

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      8·
      6 days ago

      Oh but look at this deleted draft PR release that was committed that doesn’t really say anything spicy and was later sharpened up to reflect the intentions of the author.

  • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
    14·
    6 days ago

    Good, now if only OpenSource devs switched from Discord to let’s say Matrix/XMPP

    We’d be partying

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
      6·
      6 days ago

      God I hope I live to see the day. Discord at first appears like a good IRC wrapper, but the XP of actually using it is fucking gross.