As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.
Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.
I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.
Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.
Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.
Supporting someone currently committing genocide is an explicitly pro genocide stance.
I pray that you and your family are someday accorded the same mercy as you have for Gazans.
I’m sure if Trump wins it will be of great comfort to the millions more Palestinians dying in the genocide that their deaths will be useful to your smug sense of superiority.
You are explicitly pro genocide.
You cannot make me support genocide.
You are explicitly pro more death.
You cannot make me sit idly by and do nothing while innocents die.
That is what you are doing now.
Having a hard line of support for genocide should not be a high bar to clear. Look at yourself in the mirtor and say, “I vote for genociders”.
See, the difference between me and you is that I care about the people who are still alive, not just the ones who are dead. I’m not okay with letting millions of innocent people die just so I don’t have to “support genocide”. I’m sure your conscience is more important than their lives though.
See, the difference between me and you is that I care about the people who are still alive, not just the ones who are dead.
It takes a very special relationship with the truth to read what I said and think, “wow that person only cares about dead people”.
So why won’t you do anything for the people who are still alive, then?
Are you high?
You are, in fact, completely okay with letting millions of innocent people die. I’m sorry you’re in denial.
If you think your inaction will result in saving the life of a single person you are completely disconnected from reality. I’m sorry you’re in denial.
Who’s inaction? I’m taking action as are millions. Voting for their genocide is not an action that saves lives.
Funny how many people on Lemmy totally claim they’re totally taking action without ever having a single one of them actually saying what that action might be. I’m sure you’re totally doing lots and not just calling people who disagree with you names on an obscure website though.
You explicitly support the continued genocide of Palestinians.
You are a white supremacist.
You are explicitly pro more death.
You cannot make me sit idly by and do nothing while innocents die.
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As per the Mueller report: Russian trolling doesnt just affect the GOP.
And now we know that India, China and Iran(at absolute minimum) have their own efforts to that effect too. Israel has had the AIPAC for decades, so theyre guilty of it too.
Russia doesn’t do SHIT in the US. The only thing that was proven was that they spent like 200k on buff Bernie facebook memes. Russiagate was debunked by the CEO of Crowdstrike who testified that they saw no evidence of Russia hacking Hillary’s email servers.
China and Iran do less than nothing, they are completely ineffective at propaganda. I live in Taiwan, you would think with a shared language (mandarin), the “CCP” (CPC is what they’re actually called) would be effective at brainwashing Taiwanese right into believing their narratives right? FUCK no.
Wait til you get a load of the CIA
Whattaboutism.
Whataboutism is just having perspective.
Are you against having perspective?
Conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists everywhere.
AIPAC is doing what is actually effective: lobbying (AKA bribing) politicians.
So are the Saudis.
But to deny that the known efforts of the Russians to fuck with the GOP and at least one known instance of them fucking with BLM is foolish. Go to the Canada subreddit on any news related to India and its full of atrocious asfroturf.
Russia and Trump proved it effective, now everyone is doing it.
All Canadian subs are extremely racist, it’s most likely Israeli botting actually. They are behind right wing movements all around the world. Remember the UK anti-immigrant rights? A Israeli Zionist was behind that.
Russia and Trump proved it effective, now everyone is doing it.
It did not in fact prove that.
- IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
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And should Harris lose this election, the Democrats will again look anywhere but in the mirror for the reasons.Damn I applaud you for the effort in compiling those sources.
I actually read the public mueller report for myself. I know what it said.
Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election
If you don’t live in one of the 7 states that matter in an election then you can vote your morality, safe in the knowledge that the EC will ignore your input, anyway
Inb4 some dipshit mentions down ballots when we’re talking about the fucking presidential election
Because they’re willing to chop off their nose to spite their face, as the saying goes. Only in doing so they’re going to screw over the rest of us and apparently they don’t care.
Harris is the only sane choice.
Shaming peoppe so they vote for your guy. Try harder.
Because they’re stupid enough to think a Trump presidency will be better for their cause somehow. Or they’re delusional enough to think that a 3rd party candidate will be anything but a spoiler, like they were in 2016. Seriously, protest votes after the DNC forced out Bernie were likely what led to Trump getting in. So while it’s the DNC and Hillary’s fault, the feet on the ground were the idiots.
DNC komissars fucked their only job…
Proceeds to blame the people for not voting right
after the DNC forced out Bernie
Keep doing what the Dems are telling you to do, its working out great.
Never again means never again, I will not be party to it.
That’s too simplistic. The two parties will either make it worse or not make it better. Not voting (assuming you are in a state without winner-takes-all or are in a swing/purple state) is letting other people decide for you. Walking away from the trolley problem doesn’t untie people from the tracks.
Single issue voters just seem to be the excuse of Democrat party for if they lose.
Just like election fraud is of the Republican party.
Except the genocide is actually happening with their support
The U.S. also has a huge defense industry that has made people ridiculously rich at the expense of U.S. taxpayers. Those billionaires are heavily invested in the defense industry, so it’s not in their interests that wars end at all.
This is that “military-industrial complex” that former President Eisenhower warned us about so many years ago. His concern was that the U.S. would become bogged down in an endless series of “forever wars” that do nothing but transfer wealth to the already-wealthy.
Keeping that military industrial complex well-fed is the reason why so many politicians have such a boner for war. Not only to keep their wealthy sponsors happy, but to keep tax money and jobs flowing to their states, which just happen to manufacture war materiel.
Solid analysis
Democrats are not pro Palestine. They simply don’t care about Genocide when Democrats do it. They are Nazis.
That is not the question. The question is: it’s a binary choice. People should be aware that not voting helps the worst candidate win. Why not vote for the less bad candidate then?
It ia not a binary choice… And you saying thos is bad faith behavior.
Third party vote is a protest vote and it is as valid as any other vote.
Not voting is providing the regime legitimacy.
Either way the worst candidate is going to win
Thats a faxt. Also genocide will proceed as scheduled.
Vote for 3p is just letting regime know that some voters are not satisfied.
It is not a binary choice. When people vote third party it shows politicians supporting Israel comes with political consequences.
Voting for Green is the best thing a voter can do. Even forgiving Democrats for being complicit in an entire year of Genocide would be questionable. But Democrats are not distancing themselves from the Genocide. They are literally saying they want to continue the Genocide and start a war with Iran too.
Democrats aren’t going to magically do what you want if you reward them for bad behavior. Instead they will double down on bad behavior.
Life lasts longer than 4 years.
Both candidates will support Israel, so for pro palestine voters it’s a “Would you like to vote for the Shitty Party, or Less Shitty Party” situation, where not voting from these parties is shunned upon because it will help Shitty Party win.
are you seriously going to vote for genocide? wtf? i hope you are a CIA/Israeli bot and not a real person
I’m not American so not sure I can vote, but I was I would absolutely be voting for the Dems, as the way it appears to me is Trump would be a lot worse for Palestinians than Harris would. This isn’t to say Harris will be good for Palestine, but if I tie you to a chair and tell you I’m either going to remove one of your eyes or both of your eyes and if you abstain I’ll take them both anyway.
I’m sure you would reluctantly choose to lose one eye and not both.
Yeah, but have you considered the electoral college? For most people, their vote for president doesn’t matter.
Trump has stated Israel is going to slow. So anyone bitching about the dems is an idiot, trump will be a lot worse than harris on this issue.
Yes, we love genocide.
Tap for spoiler
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What has the current administration actually stopped Israel from doing? Every line in the sand has been crossed and there have been no consequences, trump won’t be worse for Palestine than Kamala
The US two-party system is a duopoly, so whichever party you vote for doesn’t matter. They are two sides of the same coin pretending to be opposites.
There is a clear and stark difference between the two current candidates and one of them is a convicted felon. This both-sides-ism is what will get that felon elected.
Nothing is perfect, the idea is to work toward a “more perfect union.” People seem to ignore that just so they can try to make a point while letting things burn down around them.
One of the most commonly repeated and least thought through statements in politics.
Unions stand a better chance of advocating before an NLRB board that has Democratic appointees. The FTC is going to do more to fight monopolies under a Democratic administration. The EPA is going to fight pfas and lithium mining.
And god almighty is it fucking frustrating to have to say this out loud in a serious conversation to adults, but Justice Elena Kagan makes meaningfully different decisions than Brett fuddrucking Kavanagh. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If you can’t acknowledge things like this, I don’t know how to treat you like a serious person.
For instance, let’s just throw out everything other than the Supreme Court. To maintain the false equivalence, you have to say with a straight face that things like the Janus decision didn’t matter, or that overturning Roe vs Wade didn’t matter, or gutting the voting rights act didn’t matter, or getting rid of Chevron doesn’t matter. If you can make any of those arguments with a straight face, I won’t agree, but I’ll at least believe that you’ve actually thought this through.
For a single-issue anti-genocide voter, the US is a duopoly of bad choices. For most anyone else, absolutely correct.
The Roe v Wade decision and the Chevron decision literally happened under Biden, a democrat. Before you butter up the Democrats as the second coming of Christ, consider that the Democrats are literally in power and have been for the last four fucking years of hell. It’s not that those decisions don’t matter, it’s that the venn diagram of what your vote can possibly do, and the ways to reverse those decisions, it looks like this: O O
