It isn’t so much that the mountains flooded.
They’ve flooded before.
It’s how badly they’ve flooded. We may mot ge getting extra storms from climate change, but it certainly can make the existing storms worse.
IMO that’s what we’re seeing more of. From straight line winds being more damaging, to storm systems that might only have a couple tornados to now having a dozen.
Why don’t people who have had their house burned to the ground in the wildfires just sell their homes and move? 🤪
Also that argument is dead on arrival because they expect you and businesses and the entire city to pack up and leave as if it would cost nothing. They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
If anyone ever says “just move” you know they have zero concept of the word “community” or “moving costs” or “nuance”. They just don’t want to address the cause of the problem because they’re, at best, cowards.
Fucking Aquaman??
Haha I literally had Ben written in but opted to remove it. Fuck Ben Shapiro.
I will never not laugh at that. He spends so long chopping with the axe, and then drops the punchline. It’s perfect.
If its our area (Flordia coast)… that’s not a problem.
Buyers don’t care. They don’t know squat about flooding or hurricanes, they just come in from out of state and get dazzled by the realtor and the weather and everything and buy.
Our housing market was so crazy houses were being auctioned left and right. Market value just keeps going up, even on the coast.
TL;DR if the area is superficially attractive enough, home buyers are idiots. I realize this is probably not the case in Georgia mountains, but it his here, and its enabling a vicious cycle where builders keep building homes in obvious flood zones, where they absolutely shouldn’t.
That doesn’t fix the problem, it just changes who has the problem. Though I’ll admit that idiots buying bad stuff from other idiots in a cycle until eventually one idiot gets their life totally ruined feels a little on the nose.
They also have literally said “just sell your house and move” but like TO WHO?! Who would buy that house if it’s in such a fucked area?!
You have to sell the story that the area is a conservative utopia where people can live free of wokeness.
Then the conservative refugees from the satanic, communist areas will flock to you to buy your land.
Broad brushes don’t work. I moved out of country in my early twenties. Moved back home in my mid twenties, then proceeded to move to three different coasts over the course of the next decade, selling two homes and most belongings in the process before ultimately moving to an inland city that’s a fourteen hour drive from where I grew up and knew nobody (I’ve been here nearly twenty years now). If the area goes to hell then yeah, I’ll scope out job options and quality of life in other locations, sell my house and unnecessary belongings, and move my boys and I. It isn’t nearly as difficult as people flap about. Staying somewhere until theirs no longer a buyers market is short sighted similar to people refusing to leave Biloxi when it was certain to be destroyed (one of the places I moved out of) and folks deserve what they get if they refuse to leave. I’d love for us to fix the climate and socioeconomic issues so difficult decisions didn’t need to be made but people burying their heads in the sand and refusing to look out for themselves and their family in response to global and societal issues will never make sense to me. Control what you can control but recognize what you don’t control and adapt. If folks aren’t going to take responsibility for the things they can control I don’t see any reason to fret about the things outside of their control negatively impacting them.
I mean, you’re the one who bought it currently, just find an equal or dumber person like yourself, bam. Simple. At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.
You’ve completely missed the point about community, eh? And you know people don’t get to pick where they’re born or where their extended family lives, right? So they get born into these places and get locked down for whatever reason and can’t leave. Certainly they can’t all leave in one perfect unit all at the same time.
Also that’s not how all products are sold, holy shit. Maybe certain drop shippers, sure, but that’s not how it works.
I can tell you the other thing people do as they grow up and that is develop their own views. Growing up in Texas, I didn’t realize anything was wrong or out of the ordinary politically/ideologivally. My parents had their views which initially became my views since that was what was normal in my family and community
Getting older and more mature, I realized I didn’t agree with my state or parents but I also didn’t have the option to pack up and leave. By the time I was able to sustain myself and build a life, I had already gotten a job, a relationship, and wanted to start building my own family. Doing that meant staying where I was since my in-laws were in the same city and my spouse didn’t want to be away from them.
Even if on paper to some people it is as easy as just sell your house and leave there are complicating factors. I don’t want my kids to have to deal with hurricanes, power grid failures, intolerance of others, and everything else Texas has to “offer” but at the same time, its not so easy to just bail and start again.
Dude it’s just moving, it’s not that hard. People do it multiple times in their lives. Relax.
Moving is expensive. At this point I think most people are living paycheck to paycheck.
That’s funny and I’m sure you know this but for purposes of discussion -
Think about a couple common examples:
I would pay like a thousand dollars not to wash clothes by hand for a few years.
You see washing machines are like $500-$1000, you buy, you’re happy.
I’d pay five bucks to have a sweet dark tasting liquid in my mouth and not be as tired.
Cha-ching, Starbucks makes a sale.
So even rational consumers often make purchases when their expected utility/satisfaction exceeds the monetary cost.
At its core, this is basically how all products are sold.
Imagine being so neck deep in the scam economy that you don’t even remember that products that aren’t scams exist.
The problem is a town was built where there should not be one. Flood plains WILL flood. Rebuilding is pointless. It will just be destroyed again. At some point we have to cut our losses.
“A” town didn’t flood, there’s wreckage across the entire southeast. It’s not because people in the south are too stupid to know where to build, it’s because climate change is making hurricanes stronger further inland, resulting in century and thousand year floods happening.
It’s both - yes, places are getting hit with types and scales of natural disasters they could not have anticipated, but they’re also rebuilding in places that will get hit hardest when they do it again
Consider the idea of a 100 year standard - you’re building to the level where it won’t hold up to the storm of a lifetime. Let alone the fact that storms keep getting worse… It boggles my mind
And those type of floods will only increase in frequency. This is the new normal. People will need to move if they don’t want to be rebuilding every couple years.
Move where? Are you suggesting we just abandon everywhere within hundreds of miles of the coast? People living hundreds of miles inland and not in a flood plain are affected by this as well. Look at an elevation map of North Carolina, and then tell me which side you think would be safer to be on: the side with mountains, or the low lying side by the ocean?
Because it was the western part of NC that got fucking wrecked. Suggesting that people should have foreseen this as inevitable when they chose to be born into communities that have been in the same place for literally hundreds of years without experiencing floods on this level is unrealistic, as is expecting people to just up and move with money they may not have to places where they have no community.
Expecting that we can just offload the price of climate disasters on those affected by going “oh well you should have just lived somewhere else” isn’t just inhumane, it’s ostrich head in sand behavior. Your community isn’t safe from climate change, either. You better hope people haven’t run out of empathy by the time you or your family need help.
Hah and abandon NYC, Boston, DC, SF, LA, Sydney, plus entire countries like Holland, the UK, India with its billion people, etc? This is madness. There is nowhere safe to go and the numbers of people to be displaced are staggering
On top of what the other person said people still need to live in those places. It is actually crazy to say that the entire south-eastern seaboard of the United States should just be permanently evacuated wholesale. We could slow, or even stop, a lot of this by just admitting that climate change is real and doing something about it and it would be a helluva lot cheaper than turning several states in ghost towns.
During the pandemic, Trump dragged his feet in developing a response to it - leaked conversations mentioned how individual #1 liked the fact that it was primarily affecting highly liberal areas such as NYC and LA, while leaving conservative strongholds such as Idaho and Utah alone, and had asked about delaying the federal response a bit so as to let the people in the former stew in it a bit more, for his political advantage.
Also I note that that same individual #1 was in charge of nationwide disaster recovery efforts - even going so far as to take the binders of ready-made plans and throw them into the garbage.
So this whole “it is not the job of the government to use its tax collected revenue to take care of We The People” is very much by design. i.e. not merely a factual matter but a political one, in having to choose between deeper tax breaks for the wealthy vs. preparedness. And Individual #1 made that choice, in conjunction with Congress, that now applies to us all.
In fact, the former swing state turned Republican stronghold NC is one of the very reasons why climate change is hitting us so strong and fast, unprepared and seemingly even unawares.
Perhaps “admitting that climate change is real and doing something about it” is something that NC will now change its mind about, so that the federal government can do differently?
But I somewhat doubt it. It is very hard to help someone who seems dead set against being helped, nor allowing the rest of us to help ourselves as well (see e.g. medically necessary abortions).
As a person that packed up and moved from Florida. It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done.
Leaving Florida was one of the more joyous occasions in my life. I moved somewhere with earthquakes and wildfires, but at least my daughters will have access to reproductive healthcare and if one of my kids turns out gay or trans they won’t be under existential thread. Natural Florida I absolutely love, esp when it used to be weird (a la Carl Hiaasen) but christ almighty is it a failed state.
I felt this. One of my partners cars was hit with a bat because she had a pride sticker on it. Our partner was asked to resign as a math teacher because they’re trans and respected students’ pronouns. By the end of COVID I was concealed carrying just to go grocery shopping.
I miss Florida wildlife deeply. I was part of Florida trail association thought I was never going to leave but life throws curve balls it’s up to you to figure out how to catch them.
Nothing quite like Florida cold springs for sure. I lived in Orlando and definitely took advantage of Rock Springs, Wekiwa, Blue Springs, etc. Truly magical places.
Thanks friend you reminded me of vortex springs in Ponce De Leon that’s some good memories.
Alabama native. Right there with you. The people changed so much during COVID that we started making plans in 2020 to get out before the next election. We moved this summer. Life is better and I’m no where near as worried about having to shoot someone to protect myself or family.
I brought a jar of red clay dirt with me. I’ll always miss the woods and creeks I knew.
Won’t have access to water soon though
MN sure looks nice
If we stopped growing almonds for the entire freaking world Norcal would have lots and lots of water. 80% of California water goes to agriculture, 20% of that is for tree nuts, and 2/3rds of them are exported overseas.
I do agree (as a Michigan native originally) the best prospects over the next 50 years are Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. But both career prospects and winter make that a hard miss for me.
Fucking move man. You’re living in a state that apparently depends on almonds. Where do you think you’re going to keep living? What’s the cutoff? Like you can’t raise a family in a state with no water that depends on almonds.
California does not depend on Almonds, it only accounts for 1/4 of 1% of the California economy.
“Who am I supposed to sell my house in Florida to!??!!?!??”
Conservatives. It’s a victimless crime. Come on guys.
I’m in the Indianapolis area and just got off the phone with my home owners insurance company about damage to my roof. They are attributing it to Hurricane Helene.
Plus, who are you supposed to sell your house to? Fucking aquaman?
That’s a great joke I’ve heard before, but forgot who wrote it
Hbomberguy, in response to Ben Shapiro talking about coastal flooding in this vid (yeah yeah youtube sucks, it’s where he posts) https://youtu.be/RLqXkYrdmjY?si=4NqX0czakOD5XOxs
To the people pushing hlthis narrative that want to buy houses in a vacation destination cheap then rent them for $600/night.
The Appalachian mountains getting massive flooding all the time. The only places you can really build anything are along river valleys in the mountains, so they flood when big storms come through.
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie County, NY. It’s happened before, and it’s gonna happen again.
I hear the moon has no natural disasters…yet.
A natural disaster created the moon.
Saw an article just the other day suggesting the earth captured the moon. IDK what to believe anymore.
Comets and shit: “hold our space beers”
One would think that the political party of “bUtT thE bIbLE!!!111one” would pay attention to the part about, ya know, even mountains flooding.
The Bible is middle-eastern propaganda anyway 🙄
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long, and now folks give up Sundays to pray away their feelings.
Some people get lost in a desert for 40, write a book about why they were lost for so long,
See, that’s what not having OpenStreetMap does to a generation!
Fun fact: there isn’t any state that is safe from climate change disasters no matter what party is in power. Also, NC has a democratic governor and half of its House members are democrats.
Some nice points but also NC voted for Trump in the last two presidential elections - and this despite having been a swing state prior to that?
So yeah, not as deep a red state as they could be, but they were still fairly influential in e.g. dropping out of the Paris Climate Accord, not merely individually as a state but in causing the entire United States of America to do so.
The best time to have done something was yesterday - or in this case, 8 years ago.
Though the second best time is now.
The GOP has a supermajority in the NC House. NC has a democratic governor, who is term limited, and a right wing lt. governor. Plus the GOP state legislature went ham with gerrymandering and redistricting before this upcoming election. So the republican hold on the state might deepen.
Least affected states is/will be the Upper Midwest and even there, Republican politicians are making up for it by literally poisoning the drinking water.
Because they’re cartoon villains, except dumber than Elmer Fudd.
Hell yeah, wait, I mean no.
NOOOO
All of earth is a disaster area. Extreme temps of hot and cold, tornadoes exist, wildfires, wildlife, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
And of course, apophis could just take us all out. 🤞
In that case we had best not anger him then:-).
Honestly, I think we should write off the entire Eastern US at this point. Sacrifice that shit to Poseidon.
Southeasterner here. We already have.
theres a burger joint there i like tho. maybe save a smidgen, as a little treat
Spicy potatoes, corn on the cob, and cold Miller Lite always available at the replimat.
i ordered spicy corn and potatoes on the cob! lousy replicator.
The vegetarian g’rah isn’t half bad.
