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A tax on vehicle axle weight proportional to the damage done to roads (which goes up exponentially with weight).
Vehicle fee based on some combination of size, weight, and miles driven would be the fairest.
Miles driven is just taken care of in fuel taxes. Sales tax on size, yearly tax based on weightwould be perfect I think.
Yes, something that attempts to assess cost proportional to impact
That’s a real man’s truck. Air conditioned, soft suspension, big boi so scary big truck don’t scare, brightest lights because corners scary, 4 seats cos wife is scary, big tyres because tools are scary, big tank because human interaction is scary.
The thought of someone getting a 4 seater truck purely because they are so terrified of their own wife that he only feels safe when she is in the back seat of a car
That’s what it’s like to drive a Ford F150
The worst part with all these big trucks is the bed is significantly higher requiring much more effort to actually put anything in.
You’re not only looking like a dumbass you actually are one.
Honestly this. I had one of these that replaced my old Dodge van at work, and I hated it because all my equipment was much more of a pain in the ass to get in and out.
Maybe they are more manly than you give them credit for?
If it’s hard for you to throw something in the bed of a truck you should hit the gym.
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One is a work tool and for men, the other one a toy and for little boys.
One of them is a tool, another one is driven by a tool.
The comparison is kinda unfair. The big truck has a wider bed, bigger tires and more power. It also seats more people. So it is able to get more load through more difficult terrain. However we can be quite sure it won’t be used in that way.
I’ve never seen one with wear and tear and/or dirt that would indicate difficult terrain. Those only leave the city in advertisements.
There’s a few in the country around here. The ones with dirt on them are almost exclusively the Toyota Hilux, though
Are you around forestry, oil drilling, or similar sites? Obv most are fleet stock simple (with decent tires), but the 4 door, white truck with a V8 is ubiquitous when you need 4 grouchy dudes to effectively live out of it for a whole day, plus all their equipment and food. It’s hilarious how much shit these trucks hold and get anywhere with a 2 track
A lot of people wash them shortly after going off road to avoid rust and corrosion.
unless the owner does a full handwash, clay, compound, and wax every time, there is no way the trucks I’m seeing in my region are washed off road vehicles.
The tonneau cover is usually there because A) they do mostly highway mikes and want the improved mileage resulting from reduced drag, and B) they rarely use the bed, as those covers are a PITA unless you only remove it once in a great while.
I live in Central America where its mostly little trucks owned by workers, and they often drive on mud roads and hard terrain. The only people with trucks like the black one in the picture are US expats with …particular political leanings.
Nearly every tonneau cover folds or rolls up. Outright removal is a pain, but using the bed isn’t.
The factory standard cover rolls up in about 30 seconds.
The only thing I can say in favor of the one on the right is carrying capacity (weight). I associate with equestrians, and hauling a horse (1000-1500 lbs each) in a trailer (4-13k lbs, depending) (I know the truck isn’t holding it all, but it has to pull and stop it). The truck needs the engine power and torque to do that, while at the same time have enough weight and tire contact to stop with all that extra weight.
Working construction type things, and picking up builder materials? Hands down the one on the left. Hauling anything beyond the bed of the truck? Absolutely the one on the right.
If I had to buy a pickup truck I’d buy a Suzuki Carry and call it a day
I drove pickup trucks for years. Most people probably don’t realize is how much higher the operating cost is compared to smaller vehicles, even if they know that it’s generally higher. The first hybrid I bought was a Prius about a decade ago and when I finally looked at the difference in the cost of fuel and maintenance, it was not insignificant.
There’s plenty of legit reasons to need a pickup but outside of that, you’re just throwing your money away. Nowadays our Sienna Hybrid minivan has a hitch receiver on it so I can hook the trailer up to it if I need to haul something big. I haven’t needed a truck in a long time.
I think you’re making up crap. Or at least you’re comparing an old vehicle to a new one.
My truck costs the exact same to maintain as all of the other vehicles I’ve owned. Gas usage is worse than a Prius, but pretty much inline with most SUV.
There’s really not anything that’s materially more expensive to maintain in a truck than any other car.
You can think whatevever you want. A conventional gas job requires 2 to 3 oil changes to every 1 on a hybrid, depending on if you’re changing it every 3k or 5k miles. Plugs and wires, brake pads, coolant, etc. also require more frequent replacement on conventional vehicles. I would know and I’ve got the financial records to back it up.
I would also know. I’m driving a hybrid truck right now.
I truly think you’re comparing an old car to a modern one. None of the stuff you listed needed changing with any regularity, one any modern car.
Could changed happen every 9k miles, brake pads are entirely usage based (going 80k+ miles on original), coolants might get changed once in the 200k lifetime of the truck, etc, etc, etc.
It’s not like the beds are the same size. Length sure, but don’t you know that girth is what mattera for your dick replacements?
Not including the wheel well the Isuzu should be about 47 in. The F-150 is about 42. Including the wheel well it’s like 50 on the Isuzu and 52 on the F-150. The Isuzu will have more usable bed space and the wheel wells don’t go up very far so they’re pretty usable going like 2 inches up.
Testicular cancer is not a game
The one on the left is used by people who need to carry things. The one of the right is used by losers.
What about people who need extra room for a child’s car seat (they’re huge nowadays) and also need to carry stuff the way a truck does?
Edit: I live out in the country and I’m in need of a pickup for carrying loads of stuff. Putting it in the back of my Ford Edge is highly inconvenient as it doesn’t fit in one load and messed up the interior (the sides of the trunk are scratched to hell now.
And my point was simply that there are entirely legitimate uses for a pickup truck. 98% of people don’t have a legitimate use case, but that didn’t mean no one does.
What is “carrying stuff the way a truck does”? No offense, I really do not understand
Well, I can’t shove drywall, leaking smelly garbage, construction scrap, etc into a Ford Edge without seriously messing up the inside. So that kind of way.
Why would you need to shove it IN car, when you can carry it ON car?
What an absolutely bonkers suggestion. Do you legitimately think this solves the problem?
If someone actually did this, strapped drywall, leaking garbage bags, and other random garbage on top of their vehicle, there would be a post on here so fucking fast calling the driver a moron.
To get a roof rack installed on my car would be over $1000. I checked.
would be over $1000.
How?
on my car
Although maybe your car doesn’t have rack mounts from factory. For lada it’s about 20€ and tightening few bolts.
You can’t make this argument while also stating in other comments that a truck is too expensive.
I’m not arguing that. You have a fair point.
But my argument about a use case for a truck isn’t about MY truck (I don’t have one), it was merely about the valid use for owning a truck.
I’m getting by right now by wrecking the inside of my car (it’s already done). I looked at getting a roof rack, but the quote I got was around $1400. But that only would help with getting new drywall. Not broken up garbage drywall, and wouldn’t help with bags of garbage.
What are you carrying around all day with your child that doesn’t fit in a minivan?
I live out in the country. We don’t get garbage pickup. The garbage dump is very close to my child’s daycare. It’s 20 minutes away. It’s open from 8am to 4:30pm, Monday to Friday. I either bring the garbage with me when I go to daycare, or I have to schedule time off from work to take out garbage.
I have a Ford Edge, so no, a minivan wouldn’t work. To be clear, it’s not impossible. But a truck would be 10x more convenient.
Thats a reasonable use case for a truck. The majority of hate I have for trucks are for more city based people who claim they totally need it when they maybe move something 2-3 times a year.
That said, a small trailer could probably handle your garbage behind an SUV or capable car. Although it would still require more parking than the truck so the benefits overall are arguable.
A trailer isn’t out of the question, it just adds a whole new level of inconvenience. It’s extra time to move the car, hook up the trailer, verify the electrical is working (I always check left-right-breaks-4way whenever I connect a trailer), then parking the trailer, disconnecting it, then parking the car. I know it doesn’t sound like much, but that time quickly adds up, and it can get 35+ in the summers and -30 in the winters (Celsius). When getting the kid ready to leave for daycare it’s easier to load up in the relatively comfortable garage. I know that’s a first world problem, but a truck would just simply all of that.
To be clear, I’m not getting a truck because they’re as expensive as a sports car now, but the point stands.
Yes you like the convenience of it. Noones saying they aren’t convenient. Its not only about your personal convenience, because cars affect everyone nearby.
Theres a reason they cost so much, and will continue to raise as the price gets closer to its actual cost to create and use one.
And I know you know this, because you ended the post saying that if you didnt have the truck now, you wouldn’t buy another one. Have you actually thought this through or is it just some automatic cognitive dissonance reaction from owning a truck?
you ended the post saying that if you didnt have the truck now, you wouldn’t buy another one
Have you actually thought this through or is it just some automatic cognitive dissonance reaction from owning a truck?
I think it has more to do with your reading comprehension and thinking I said anywhere that I own a truck.
This obviously varies based on where you live, but using a trailer where I’m at incurs a ton of extra costs: *Landfill charges extra when using a trailer to bring your trash. *Tollway charges extra for the trailer *State charges annual property tax on the trailer Granted, I have an ‘04 regular cab Chevy Colorado (before they started making them as huge as half tons of years past), but I’m dreading the day it dies. There are no small pickups available anymore (Santa Few and Maverick’s 4.5’ bed is worthless for my use case).
I think this argument is a losing battle on this community. It’s clear there is no room for nuance or reason.
You could do what you want for cheaper, and with less impact on the environment. Thats a fact. Thats where you are finding dispute.
How size of your truck is compared to Lada Granta? Because my grandparents drove it with driver + 3 adults + child me + stuff including garbage from dacha.
Well, for one, I don’t have a truck. Too expensive.
Second, child care seats in North America were revised recently to be larger so that they can protect children better.
To put it in context, putting a child seat in my 2013 Jetta makes it so that the front passenger can barely fit. Anyone over 5’ 6" has to srunch their legs to fit.
The Jetta claim is weird because I fit a 6’ adult comfortably in the passenger seat of my GTI with the car seat in the back.
How big is your car seat?
I don’t know the exact dimensions, but it’s big enough that I actually had to get rid of my 2015 golf because the front passenger seat became unusable. And I’m not exaggerating. The car seat barely fit with the front seat pushed all the way forward and leaned forward past vertical.
I know this is a common complaint with parents in the past few years in Canada. I don’t know if child car seat regulations are different at all in the US. I don’t think they are, I’m just not sure.
And a flat trailer for your Ford would be even more convenient
How’d they get someone pregnant with that medically diagnosed micropenis?
Wow you’re soooo cool. I bet everyone is always really happy when you talk
You live out in the country, you clearly didn’t grow up in the country.
I grew up in the country, we had a truck with a full sized bed and a bench. You put the baby seat in the middle of the bench, strap it down like you do in the car and a lap belt and you pick up your chicken feed with your kid in the truck. Ain’t rocket science here and you don’t need to have a crew cab and a worthless short bed to do things out there.
Shit dude, if you’re worried about scratches to your vehicle, maybe you should move back to the suburbs.
But I don’t have a truck.
if you’re worried about scratches to your vehicle,
I said “mess up the interior” with “leaky garage bags”. But yes, the inside is scuffed also.
maybe you should move back to the suburbs.
Thanks for gatekeeping where I live, you clearly know everything about me.
WTF do you expect when you post anonymously about “needing” a gigantic truck with a extended cab and a tiny worthless truck bed because you have a kid in a car seat and don’t have the sense to know that if you actually grew up in the country, you’d damn well know you can strap in a car set in on a truck bench.
And here’s another judgement, it’s a pretty piss poor excuse for trying to justify “needing” once again a huge, wasteful, dumb short bed truck because you have a car seat and have a want to haul a few bags of trash. Ever heard of double bagging? Or a trailer? Or if you did grow up in the country, a burn barrel?
You’re right that I don’t know everything about you, I only know what you share on a anonymous social media board, and what I have read so far, you sure do sound like one of those suburban transplants wasting good farmland.
do you expect when you post anonymously about “needing” a gigantic truck with a extended cab
I never said “need” once.
Ever heard of double bagging?
Cause THAT’S environmentally friendly.
Or a trailer?
A bunch of assumptions there.
a burn barrel?
LMAO, that’d be a helluva fast way to get fined around here. I’m in the “country”, but it’s not in the middle of nowhere. It’s a neighborhood built just a bit out from a small town of 5000 people. It’s “country”, but kind of isn’t at the same time. I have to register with the county each time I want to have a fire in the fire pit. And burning garbage is a fast way to get in crap. And not to mention monumentally stupid.
Pretty sad that you feel you have to put so much effort and so many words to justify why you shouldn’t be a suburbanite like you should be.
I mostly agree with the fact that most people who have pickup trucks don’t actually need them.
That being said, the only thing sad in this comment section is how much energy you are wasting to gatekeep this one person’s ‘countryness’, just because they posted a random comment.
This still doesn’t matter make sense. Lots of people have multiple kids and/or a spouse. Manufacturing more vehicles just to please your ego is not the economical or environmentally friendly thing to do.
This doesn’t make any sense. You live out in the country, you’re probably going to need a truck. You aren’t going to haul horse shit, lime, a crap ton of chicken feed, or water for your cistern in a car or even a SUV. But you should be buying a vehicle that actually fits the work being done and if it’s a small truck then buy a small truck and not giant penis extender with no ability to haul a damn thing.
if it’s a small truck then buy a small truck and not giant penis extender with no ability to haul a damn thing.
Ok, so is this whole discussion a misunderstanding?
I’m saying “there are valid uses for a truck” and (from what I thought) everyone else is saying “all trucks are bad, you don’t need a truck”.
But now you’re saying that the discussion is explicitly the exact truck that’s in the photo and small trucks are ok? Is that what you’re saying?
Could be. I’m not in the camp of all cars are bad.
The whole discussion about the, in my opinion, worthless truck in the picture and when you state you have a car seat without clarification about a ute or a compact truck, then it’s assumed you’re talking about the need for one of those dumb things that all suburbanites seem to want and buy.
And I’m not saying that just blanket small truck ownership is okay either, I’m of the opinion you should buy the car that fits what you need and wish we had a society and cities that could get me to not even driving day to day. So to me even a guy that lives in a small town only to drives to and from work only and never hauls a thing still doesn’t need a small truck that gets crappy gas mileage.
Left one carries stuff, right one carries fragile egoes
But the one on the left wouldn’t pass US fuel economy standards, which are based on vehicle footprint since 2012.
That’s the reason the Ranger etc were discontinued for a while, and when they returned were bigger than the old F-150s.
It’s so the reason the small cargo vans (Nissan NV200, Ford Transit Connect, and Ram Promaster City) were all discontinued in the last 2 years. CAFE standards increase over time, and it’s easier to just make bigger cars.
Its also in my opinion, a complete failure of the EPA and a disconnect from what it’s true goals should be. The marketing trends show that bigger vehicles (which have more leneient standards and can guzzle more fuel) have been sold more and more since these standards, all to the benefit of oil companies selling gas to fill the bigger tanks and the benefit of auto makers enjoying higher price margins on bigger vehicles. Once again the hand of capitalism and the “free market” prioritizing profits over everything.
Its also in my opinion, a complete failure of the EPA and a disconnect from what it’s true goals should be. … Once again the hand of capitalism and the “free market” prioritizing profits over everything.
I see a contradiction here.
Somebody designed a regulation without using their brain (or using to wrong ends), but apparently capitalism is to blame.
Everyone blames EPA while forgetting two things.
The manufacturers chose to do this; no regulations prevent them from making a vehicle like the one on the left that meets the new standards. They’re just evading the standards.
Politicians of all walks allow regulatory capture, so almost all regulations are influenced by the people that should be regulated, making them useless or easy to evade.
It was a misguided reaction to the last round of CAFE fuckery.
The manufacturers started putting hatchback options as the standard kit on a bunch of models so they could classify them as lite trucks. So instead of basing standards on vehicle classification, the EPA changed it to vehicle footprint.
What that resulted was the subcompact trucks and cargo vans being held to the same efficiency standards as small cars, which really isn’t fair.
Yeah, Ford now sells a small truck with a hybrid engine and a 4-ft bed, but it has a towing capacity of 2,000 pounds as opposed to the old Ranger’s 6,000.
Yeah, it does 40 instead of 27 mpg, but the smallest truck that can actually haul plywood or tow a trailer big enough to be useful now has 23mpg. It’s a net loss in fuel economy because small vehicles are required to be designed around hauling passengers, not cargo.
One of them tows 12000 and can get on the highway and not die. The other has a payload capacity of 1500lbs.
What a dumb comparison. I own a Kei.
Except the people who own the monster trucks never carry more than 1500 lbs and rarely take it on the highway.
You might be shocked to know that fitting a family of four plus vacation gear quickly approaches 1.5k.
Payload capacity includes how much people weigh. It’s not just how much you can throw in the bed.
Except the people who own the monster trucks never carry more than 1500 lbs and rarely take it on the highway.
All of them? Like every single one?
Clearly there was some sort of global survey we aren’t privy to.
The bed on the left probably gets used more.
