It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
If, and that’s a big if, they choose to field a moderately likeable replacement, there’s a chance they can actually re-energize the campaign and voters and get a big boost with a fresh face. That’s a big if though.
Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king.
Plain and simple.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
Walk me through this. Who replaces Joe with only 4 months left until the elections? It’s going to be vote blue no matter who again. Oh, would you look at that. Biden just endorsed Kamala Harris.
Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.
Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I’m so tired of these arguments about what we can’t do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we’ll need some time.
The largest democracy takes around two months of campaigning and about six weeks for voting.
Population scales proportionately for both the number of voters and for number of people working on a campaign and number of people working at polling stations on election day.
And let’s be honest, it’s only a small number of states that Presidential campaigns actually focus on because of that whole Electoral College thing.
It’s just the US is accustomed to a long election cycle, that’s all. It’s not a necessity. It may not actually be a good thing as it allows time for bad actors to construct false narratives. Seems to just favour personality over policy.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could’ve gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we’re going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn’t in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he’s going to endorse her. Still doesn’t mean that delegates don’t decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.
You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They’ll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I’m sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it’s only non-white people they use that on, isn’t it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don’t like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn’t a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there’s even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you’re right.
Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
There is no candidate until the convention. Biden wasn’t actually the nominee yet, so there’s nothing for them to contest. Johnson put out that threat to scare you.
Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months
It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.
But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
I’m sure it will all work out when Republicans contest the new candidate… Fuck me what is this idiocy.
Dems haven’t even officially nominated anyone yet, dont think the republicans would get very far with that stunt
Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
Bingo.
Yeah this was the point all along
You can tell it’s a good move when the GOP starts pulling this shit.
I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Her turn 2.0 watch out yall here comes Hillary! /$
Was Bidens image really that bad outside of these internet circles?
Well Rs certainly hated his guts for totally real reasons
But this is the DNC…
Booo the DNC just made an unprecedented pivot which the people actually wanted.
Nervously optimistic, but I’ve been hurt before
That cuts both ways. The GOP also has to pivot from “Biden is too old!” to “Trump is NOT too old” in the few remaining months.
If, and that’s a big if, they choose to field a moderately likeable replacement, there’s a chance they can actually re-energize the campaign and voters and get a big boost with a fresh face. That’s a big if though.
They’ll probably pick Clinton to run again and she’ll still probably be making references to Pokémon Go to pull in the youth vote.
Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king. Plain and simple.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
The fact that Republican troll farms have to now spend time coming up with new material puts a small smile on my face.
They will move swiftly though, while the Democrats are used to being sluggish, so vigilance is in order.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
It’s the same campaign, still has half the ticket on it.
I don’t think they’ve thought this through.
Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?
Walk me through this. Who replaces Joe with only 4 months left until the elections? It’s going to be vote blue no matter who again. Oh, would you look at that. Biden just endorsed Kamala Harris.
Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice
Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.
Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I’m so tired of these arguments about what we can’t do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we’ll need some time.
The largest democracy takes around two months of campaigning and about six weeks for voting.
Population scales proportionately for both the number of voters and for number of people working on a campaign and number of people working at polling stations on election day.
And let’s be honest, it’s only a small number of states that Presidential campaigns actually focus on because of that whole Electoral College thing.
It’s just the US is accustomed to a long election cycle, that’s all. It’s not a necessity. It may not actually be a good thing as it allows time for bad actors to construct false narratives. Seems to just favour personality over policy.
Just FYI, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez warned people that elite donors have been wanting Harris and Biden both off the ticket.. You are free to hold skepticism about Harris’ viability as presidential nominee, but do note that it is in line with the donor class’ rhetoric.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
So the same thing that’s been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?
If the Biden campaign was mostly running on “Not Trump,” anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could’ve gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we’re going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn’t in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he’s going to endorse her. Still doesn’t mean that delegates don’t decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
Yeah a Humphrey style convention is always a good idea. /s
Who cares if it’s Kamala? She’s not senile, she’s not Genocide Joe, and she’s not an unhinged fascist. She’s a shoe-in.
They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.
You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…
This only indicates the GOP does not want to be running against Kamala Harris.
This is a good sign.
From the article you linked to:
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They’ll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I’m sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it’s only non-white people they use that on, isn’t it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don’t like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn’t a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there’s even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you’re right.
Mike Johnson has literally already made it clear that in these circumstances he intends to CONTEST the new candidate being allowed on ballots.
We live in the fucking stupidest ass timeline.
The time for dropping Biden was before the fucking primaries and now we’re walking right the fuck into a Republican trap.
Fuck me, someone just kill me now so Trump can’t institutionally fucking murder me.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Democrats are fuckin morons who want to lose.
Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
Mike Johnson is (as usual) full of shit. The DNC is still a month away and not a single state ballot deadline has passed.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
Saving this comment for later.
There is no candidate until the convention. Biden wasn’t actually the nominee yet, so there’s nothing for them to contest. Johnson put out that threat to scare you.
No one can “make biden run”. If he died tomorrow we are suppose to vote for a literal corpse? Boooo
Johnson is just threatening. He has no power over nominees.