Not sit around and wait for them to enact the agenda you want first and after that you’ll vote for them. Think about how training a dog works.

You deserve kudos for this. Very well put.

I mean, you have but clearly a ton haven’t. Witness the millions of missing votes this election.

I don’t think you understand their point. Republicans always turn out to vote for their candidate. Then they win (at least a good portion of the time) and they vote in primaries and move the party further right. For any evidence just look at the past 2 decades.

Whereas the left just decides to sit out and therefore Dems lose (or only win at odd times.) They can’t count on leftist/apathetic voters, so they go towards where they think they can get votes (ie. people who always vote and if they do convert enough they are profiting by gaining one vote for them and removing one from Republicans.)

Now everyone here is saying it’s soooo obvious that it’s a poor strategy but is there any introspection on behalf of the left/apathetic? How has withholding your vote or not voting in primaries gone? It’s been done for years and society has moved so, so far away from leftist goals no?

So their point is that it probably is a mix- surely the Dems need to actually run on popular policy and leftists/apathetic need to suck it up, vote in all elections, and vote for the best candidate. Pick your preferred candidate in the primary and then vote for the Democratic candidate in the general, no matter what (well- barring something egregious like…being anything like Trump.) Once Dems actually have power, you can keep pushing left. But if people just sit out, you’re not gonna be counted. Decades of that is proof.

Edit- maybe you mean you can’t win the center over with conservatism-lite. Maybe that’s true, maybe not. But someone mentioned Bernie finished behind Harris in Vermont so I don’t know that it’s a maxim.

If this election cost America the Republic then I would argue the voters cost it.

If you can’t be bothered to vote to save the Republic then it was lost already anyhow.

And theyre jackasses for that. It’s a civic duty. Go write in Mickey mouse. But you should be voting regardless.

And if you don’t then you can just stfu about anything because you never did the bare minimum to change anything.

And their dumbasses will get fucked by trump just the same. Congrats to them.

You guys think the dems really care. They’ll be fine. But hey, act like youre really sticking it to them. Im sure theyre so hurt and won’t make ends meet now.

I mean, we can blame the DNC some. But we should definitely be blaming Trump voters and non-voters.

The reverse side of this (that the Onion should do next) is:

“Oh yeah. I didn’t go out and vote. Surely the 30th time in a row means the DNC will learn their lesson and then promote leftist policy like I want!”

They should be smart enough to vote for the one who gets closest to their needs. If they’re not a complete moron that is.

The car is moving in one direction or another. It’d be smart to at least move it in the direction you think it should go.

Why would they learn? They’ll be fine.

This is what people don’t seem to understand. This is not some mythical “huge force.” Democrats elect their people through primaries and they rise. Same as ever.

But all the people who don’t participate? YOU are the ones that have to suffer. Harris was a fine candidate. Sure she wasn’t Santa Claus on Christmas but she was fine and a million ways better than Trump. But people said “eh, I’m ok with Trump then” and didn’t vote for her.

She isn’t gonna suffer. The DNC isn’t going to suffer. YOU and I are. This is what we call an “own goal.” And all the people wanting more left policy? Well good fucking luck when they stack the SCOTUS with 40 year old right wing fucks, stack the rest of the courts, and move everything back another 20 years progress-wise. Think you’re getting better healthcare soon? Think again. It got a ton harder now. Worried about the climate? Great! Because it was fucked before and it’ll be fucked a fuck more now. What little we were doing is going up in smoke.

Besides that- two things can be right. The Dems need to refocus AND shithead lazy ass nonvoters need to get off the fucking couch and vote no matter what. Well, if they can still vote in a free and fair election in 2/4 years.

You think they care?

You and I are the ones dealing with the fallout, not them.

Fuck the people who didn’t come out. Period.

I mean, if they removed or at least upped their dumb debt brake then they could spend to avoid this while making their economy better. But the FDP would never allow such sensibility.

“Influencers”

I distinctly remember yum/dnf should be using a loop. Forget why but it’s recommended. Here’s a snippet from my playbook. Simply make the vars as you need and run.

  - name: Install flathub as remote
    ansible.builtin.shell:
      cmd: flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
    tags:
      - apps

  - name: Install flatpak apps
    community.general.flatpak:
      name: "{{ item }}"
      state: present
    loop: "{{ flatpaks }}"
    tags:
      - apps

  - name: Remove some default unused packages
    ansible.builtin.dnf:
      name: "{{ item }}"
      state: absent
      update_cache: no
    loop: "{{ remove }}"
    ignore_errors: true
    tags:
      - apps

  - name: Install our packages
    ansible.builtin.dnf:
      name: "{{ item }}"
      state: present
      update_cache: yes
    loop: "{{ rpms }}"
    ignore_errors: true
    tags:
      - apps```

On mobile. Apologies if formatting is off.

Does it have privacy issues compared to XMPP which doesn’t enforce the privacy extensions? I figure they are about the same there. Asking genuinely as I do not know other than Matrix might leak some metadata.

And quite frankly, I really wish we’d just agree on one or the other. Would love to host an instance and move some people to it but both are just stuck in this quasi-half used/half not state. And even people on here can’t agree what should be “standard.”

People bitch about YAML but for me it’s still the preferred one just because the others suck more.

TOML like said is fine for simple things but as soon as you get a bit more complex it’s messy and unwieldy. And JSON is fine to operate on but for a config? It’s a mess. It’s harder to type and read for something like a config file.

Heck, I’m not even sold on the S-expressions compared to yaml yet. But then, I deal with so much with all of these formats that I simply still prefer YAML for readability and ease of use (compared to the others.)

Yes it’s so outdated that mostly every IDE offers usage with its keybindings.

Again, he was down a ton before the AIPAC money came in.

That PAC bullshit is just that but it doesn’t explain his loss.

If that was the case then maybe they should get off their asses and vote then huh?

If he was that popular and progressives that numerous he wouldn’t have lost his primary, especially as the incumbent. Simple as.

I’m with you. I’ve come to terms with it. Let’s hope whoever it is wins.