Europeans couldn’t even beat 1939 Africans in 1939. Ethiopia fought Italy and sent them packing. Germany occupied North Africa but were eventually defeated (though this involved the rest of the Allies). What a nonsense question.
“Well you see, the Axis was in a good mood and decided not to go berserker mode.”
The key difference is that 1939 pilots generally had to see their opponents to fight them, while a modern fighter can detect, track and attack an enemy without ever being seen itself. So basically, the 1939 air forces would be fighting an invisible enemy from day one. And that’s not even getting into modern advances like drones.
I can’t even begin to imagine how badly Africa’s “humble” air forces would dominate the theater of war.
But sure… let’s keep pretending that 1939 Europe could just roll over them. Pure hubris and arrogance.
But hey, that’s fascism for you.
It would make for a fun scenario to see the flag of a United Africa fly over the Reichstag though.
i half remember that air superiority in vietnam was kinda weird. F-4s couldn’t dogfight the old migs or whatever, so there could be some issues where targeting systems won’t lock on to anything properly because nobody ever programmed them to shoot down that old shit.
Africa would still win of course but i think manpads or lack of mission range might be more to do with it.
where’s flakes i need a gif of f-14s or 15s trying to shoot down the wright flyer
Night Witches hours
Motherfucker they have MISSILES
and gripens and f-16s. the algerian airforce alone would probably carry them with the su-57s they recently got
Algeria has 2 su-57s. Egypt has 220 F16s
1 for a decapitation strike in london, the other in berlin
The funny thing is. You dont even need to introduce modern aircrafts. (of course those would be basically alien tech)
Even old models from the Cold War like MiG-21s would be superior to anything the Europeans had in 1939
Bombers, fighters, special forces, modern small arms, and even then there’s also militias that would probably trounce any european country from the 30’s trying to occupy it. But no, black man bad.
huh the hypothetical is probably more interesting if africa is attacking rather than the other way around. disease would remain a huge factor but interwar artillery and small arms are probably good enough for an insurgency.
Twist: they’re fighting over Australia
There is no universe where 1939 Europe could do a thing to 2026 Africa. Even shit like drones are impossible to reverse engineer because the logistics of building a $2k bomb drone are impossible to accomplish with 40s tech
Trying to make a bomb drone using vacuum tubes because the first transistors weren’t invented until 1947.
Honestly makes V2 rockets that much more impressive, for the time. (And no, you absolutely do not have to hand it to them.)
My wunderwaffen keeps getting shot down by over-the-horizon countermeasures because it’s huge and slow and loud and predictable
They really do honestly believe the only reason colonialism stopped being done out in the open is because Europeans just felt like being kind to the untermensch. All of western society is going to need just so much damn reeducation.
Any 2026 country could probably beat 1939 Europe. Not even as a dig against Europe, the gap is simply that big.
Honestly any 2026 country could probably beat every 1939 country
What about the Vatican from 2026
Honestly? If they’re allowed to go shopping first they’d still have a solid chance
You have a point, but I think that the opposition in this case could just overwhelm them with sheer numbers in terms of people, planes, bombs, etc.
Yeah, I think that they’d take some losses early. 1939 Europe is already experiencing total war and is ready to LET’S FUCKING GO wherever. Africa(or others) would need some time to react, and would probably take early territorial losses. If it were a very small 2026 country they might be overwhelmed, but I don’t think it’d be the end. Modern technology allows for extremely effective guerilla warfare
Even if they get to buy a bunch of shit first, unless that includes personnel who are elite guerillas, I don’t think the Vatican’s people are really going to succeed in guerilla warfare vs the Soviets, Nazi Germany, the European Allies, and let’s not forget being surrounded on all sides by Fascist Italy which, even if they are a pushover compared to the others, can still cooperate with the others and totally encircle the Vatican.
But even if we imagine Italy as a vacated neutral ground, there’s no winning guerilla warfare when literally every structure and tree that stands more than 10 ft tall is bombed out, and the ruins of important structures are firebombed even harder to just cook/suffocate survivors in any bunkers, and then you have like 30 million soldiers systematically rooting through the rubble with the help of tanks, etc. The scale genuinely makes opposition inconceivable unless you want to imagine mercenaries scattering through Italy and doing a Protracted Papists’ War or something.
Maybe I don’t know anything, I admit that I’m not like a military expert or anything, I just really thing there’s nothing doing here.
The Vatican isn’t a country, it’s just three churches in a trenchcoat.
I wanna watch the FPV footage of Nazi, French, and British soldiers ( who are also trying to kill each other) getting vaporized when they either land on the beach in slow metal deathtraps or die trying to parachute out of incredibly slow planes
counting or not counting the ussr?
plot twist the USSR was gonna join on the side of Africa but then saw the situation and was just like “they got this, they don’t need our help”
i feel like the soviets would have to do whatever it takes to get MOS transistors in 1939
The map implies counting the USSR, but that does not change the outcome even though it’s a huge proportional increase in capability.
Motherfucker they’d catch COVID or any number of newer diseases that we’ve got vaccines for and they don’t and lose half their manpower.
It’d be like the Europeans bringing diseases from the old world over to the Americas. Oh what’s a 1939 European going to infect a 2026 African with? Polio? We have a vaccine for that. What’s a 1939 European able to do against modern strains of diseases? They didn’t even use penicillin until the 40’s.
what’s a 1939 European going to infect a 2026 African with?
Smallpox is all I can think of.
Kind of sad that we’ve eradicated no others.
Me watching an ME 109 try to dogfight an F16Me watching dudes with bolt action rifles get owned by dudes with full auto assault rifles
Can modern Africa trade with modern China? Whats the middle east doing, are they in the 1970s?
The answer is presumably “nowhere else interferes,” but modern Africa doesn’t need anywhere else in this context.
In some cases it might benefit from certain places (like modern France) being abstracted out of existence.
Population of Europe in 1939: ~560 Million
Population from Africa in 2026: ~1.6 Billion
Both are rounded up from the estimates I could find, former is obviously rough given the time period but still, no where close to the opposition. Further, African forces are going to be using, at the absolute worst, cold war era weapons, putting giving them superior arms as well.
So one side has superior numbers, arms(and we’re not factoring in this is 39 Europe on the brink of a war, we’re presuming they’re uniting in this scenario) and yet people *still think the clear loser would win.
So uh yeah something something fuck crackers idk
2026 Egypt solos 1939 Europe tbh
even ignoring the tremendous advances in combat vehicles, aircraft, missiles etc. any modern african country’s military would have a massive advantage even on the level of the individual soldier
it’s squads with plate carriers, kevlar, comms gear, and automatic weapons vs unarmored dudes with lee enfields and steel helmets
Algeria literally has 1,500 modern battle tanks
