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The kicker is that Hugh Hefner was a god awful person him self. If someone like him saw red flags with Epstein then they must have been unimaginably horrific.
Or he didn’t like the competition
Hefner had a very specific type, and it wasn’t children. Still a terrible person, just not a pedophile.
That type being barely legal?
He had a kink for the blonde bombshells/pinup girls of his youth. Full bodied women with a “girl next door” quality (his gross words, not mine). Epstein and Trump preferred jailbait. Where Hefner liked sex with women he objectified, Epstein and Trump liked to rape, abuse and have power over girls. In my opinion, Hefner was gross, but Epstein and Trump are evil.
EDIT: To be clear, I’m not a fan of Heffner, but to equate him to Epstein and Trump waters down the gravity of what Epstein and Trump did. That’s why I make the distinction.
Can we not use the term “jailbait?” It connotes a willing-but-underage person, rather than someone who has been manipulated or coerced into an abuse situation.
I don’t think “willing” has been a primary defining factor for the word ever since the /r/jailbait thing. That yuck factor is why I chose the word (that place was a cesspool). Regardless, I am very open to suggestions for a replacement. I don’t mean that aggressively, I genuinely would love a different word with that much baggage that really puts into perspective how foul men like Trump are.
I appreciate your view that in the context of that subreddit the term connotes a yuck factor, I also bring the context of 70s/80s songs like “Jailbait” implying that young teenage girls were willing participants in what were actually predatory relationships.
I think simply calling them children makes the criminality clear without any questionable connotations.
I’m somewhat in favor of using yucky words for giving nuance as long as the rest of the text implies you’re not one to use the phrases in an earnest way.
I’ve had mixed results on Lemmy with words like “homemaker” when trying to discuss a specific kind of social expectation, and then got immediately told off for using it. I never use it. It was the right word in the moment.
Maybe write “what they’re gleefully call X” instead of “X” and it would keep the yuck factor of putting the word there without seeming like you’re taking the word at face value
Posts like this are what activated Trump’s voterbase pre-2016.
Is there another word that perfectly encapsulates the specific intent of the abuser. I don’t think woman want to be objectified or raped in those terms.
Children is the word. They enjoy raping children.
“barely legal” is such a disingenuous attack.
Is it legal? Yes. What’s the problem? Something will always be “barely legal”. Even if we decide that it’s immoral and make it illegal, something else will still always be “barely legal”.
If you think something is immoral, then just say so. If a bunch of consenting adults do something that doesn’t harm anyone, mind your own business.
Barely Legal was published Larry Flynt i think.
Oh you
Pornographer and American Hero, Larry Flynt.
Well thats a depressing thought but it sounds plausible.
“Listen, I’m Hugh Hefner, but that guy is DEPRAVED!”
I despise Hefner usually, this is the first time I can think of where he’s been somewhat honorable.
How disgusting is that? Hefner was actually too good to hang out with Epstein, Trump, Clinton, et al
Reported to FBI in 2005, didn’t hear back until 2020. So that’s Robert Mueller, James Comey, and Andrew McCabe as directors during those 15 years FBI ignored her. It was three years into Chris Wray’s tenure that she finally got a call back. And a year after the perp DIED. Jesus fuckin Christ
Yeah, when it comes to Epstein, multiple presidents from both parties have some splainin to do.
Not just presidents, the entire justice system.
they were definitely slow-walking it, under biden too.
Goddammit, imagine if they had investigated, how much better the world could be!
They knew. They didn’t investigate on purpose. Fucking conspiracy theorists went crazy thinking there was a child trafficking ring in the basement on a one story pizzeria, but now gobble their cucklord’s pedophilic nuts
That’s because it was never about the paedophilia, the only reason they worked themselves into a lather is because they thought it was a Democrat run child trafficking ring. Accuse a Republican of literally anything and they don’t give a shit but the second you accuse a Democrat of so much as jaywalking and they’ll turn it into a national emergency.
During Trump’s first term it came out that Roy Moore, an Alabama Republican running for Senate, was a rapist and a pedophile (naturally he was Trump’s endorsed candidate).
Not only did Moore not drop out of the race, he almost won the election. And he only lost because enough Democrats showed up to vote for his opponent - the Republican voters still mostly supported Moore even after he admitted to going after teenagers.
i remember that election, it was insane how much support he still had, and the msms immediately shut up about reporting on moore.
Jayghazi
also so many billionaires funding dinos and gop are in to, to expose them would end that money train, thats why they have the MSMs running inteference.
accuse a Democrat of so much as jaywalking and they’ll turn it into a national emergency
Or wearing a tan suit.
They probably investigated and found out it would impact the ruling class so they dropped it.
my money’s on it was a honeypot run by israel to entrap us leaders, was wildly successful beyond the wildest expectations, the fbi caught on to it after a bit and rather than, y’know, doing the right thing, they decided they wanted to also have the dirt on the us leadership.
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They still aren’t doing that, quite the opposite, in fact, which shows who’s really running the U.S. and what a farce this so called democracy is—the very democracy they supposedly always defend around the world. For example, in Israel, which also had the very best connections to Epstein, as evidenced even by the little information that the so-called U.S. law enforcement agencies are willing to disclose.
This implies they didn’t know what was going on.
Trump would be in jail right now.
I think I remember this from a Behind the Bastards episode from way back when, maybe 2020.
Or maybe I’m confusing two BtB stories, in any case in one Playboy helped the abused & exploited woman become independent and also gave emotional support. (or was it You’re Wrong About? Damn.)
In any case, the true Epstein story was known for basically ever (even before Q-Anon) and he was just never investigated properly, even though multiple victims came forward ages ago. Which is somehow even more shocking.
His (first) time in jail was a joke btw, he was allowed to go home to do office work every day…
Clearly, there was a lot more going on than we’ve ever been told, and it was well-known at the highest level of our government for multiple administrations from BOTH parties. Both sides covered this up, and are STILL covering it up.
We need to expose ever tiny detail, and destroy whoever gets destroyed. It’s time to clean house of many years of accumulated scum, and if it destroys reputations and careers, that’s too bad. That’s what you get for covering for MONSTERS.
it was well-known at the highest level of our government
It was public. Robert Evans could make a well-researched episode about him in 2019, with public sources that reach much further back.
Because half the fbi were probably clients of Epstein
How much do you think FBI agents are getting paid?
Epstien had two clients, the rich, and those in power
That’s a handful of top brass, not half the organization.
I was going to quote parts but it’s short and worth just reading.
Here is the text for anyone here in the comments:
Playboy founder Hugh Hefner notified the FBI of Jeffrey Epstein and reported that a Playmate was sexually abused and trafficked by the late financier, according to new court documents reported this week.
The FBI reportedly ignored several of Hefner’s tips about Epstein for 15 years, according to NewsNation.
Court records show that Audra Christiansen, a former Playboy Playmate, told Hefner in 2005 that she was an Epstein survivor and asked Hefner to contact the FBI. She suggested that authorities would be more likely to take his call over hers because of his status.
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Hefner died in 2017 at age 91.
Miami Herald reporter Julie K. Brown, in her Substack, reported on the legal complaint, which was filed by 34 Epstein survivors against the United States in the Southern District of Florida.
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In the court document, the FBI agreed to assist Christiansen and investigate her claims. But Christiansen apparently did not hear from the FBI until October 2020.
“For about fifteen years, the FBI did not investigate Ms. Christiansen’s tips or follow up on her allegations,” according to the court documents.
The documents revealed that Christiansen met the late convicted child sex offender, and “before she knew it she was naked and raped by Epstein” and “trafficked for 10 years.”
“The complaint alleges the FBI did not investigate the model’s claim and by not doing ‘violated mandatory policies and protocols requiring it to investigate claims, like Ms. Christiansen’s, of child sexual abuse and trafficking’ and ‘failing to investigate credible tips, such as Ms. Christiansen’s allegations, the FBI created a foreseeable zone of risk to future victims of Epstein’s sex trafficking enterprise, including Plaintiffs,’” NewsNation reported.
