Who said “any issue that affects capitalists”? I said environmental progress, greenhouse gasses in particular, is not a winning election issue. (Again, I want it to be, but I acknowledge it’s not.) If you’re going to strawman that badly, holy cow. I’m out.
Lemmy misreads that I don’t want climate progress. I do. But I acknowledge that it’s a losing election issue (see history). But you seem to have misread in a different way which I honestly don’t even understand what you’re trying to say.
Carter said cut back and lost. Gore ran on it and lost. Hillary ran on it and lost. Biden didn’t run on it, but did it anyway and was going to lose. Harris didn’t say it, but it was clear she’d continue Biden’s policy and lost. The track record isn’t good, people don’t care about this issue. Inb4 Lemmy’s misreading, I think it’s the most important issue, but the voters don’t seem to.
What’s that / mean?
There’s nothing to read or even misread because you are doing mental gymnastics. It’s nonsense.
Boy more. Don’t worry I’m informing protest-non-voters what they voted for for another 3.5 years. Ciao.
You sure are assigning a lot of stuff to me. I am informing protest non-voters what they actually voted for.
I’m informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.
Green energy and infrastructure are two separate things. That you have to hammer them together to make a bad faith argument is telling.
In addition, it could potentially even undo some of the emissions reductions
Could. Potentially. And if you read how they did their figuring yeah it’s no surprise they keep inserting words like “could”. Then certain people read it and think that means “is”.
But in any case green energy and infrastructure are two separate things.
And back to this post, what’s Trump doing? Line item is Zero.
I’m not saying that you’re equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into “foundations of fascism” something system.
And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making “real” changes to improve society. But you’re still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.
Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama’s healthcare. And you’re equating this to … status quo… , and … a foundation of a fascist state. …
Right‽ Also, why would you make such an honest admission? It isn’t doing anything to help your argument.
Asking if you’re today’s explanation is neither a strawman or an attack, if that’s what you meant. If you meant something else I can’t figure it out.
A bunch of nonsense about electoral history, blaming Clinton’s loss on climate change, failing to acknowledge that Gore actually won his election, etc.
Ah you’re straight to ignoring with no response to anything. Glad we had this conversation. Ciao.
Are you today’s right-winger cosplaying as a lib?
Always a good sign when you start off with a strawman/ personal attack.
Ok where do we start. Well first off we’re talking national level, not mayoral candidates or safe districts.
So now let’s look at the history. Let’s go through this chronologically.
Bill Clinton: After successive Dem losses Bill figured out “it’s the economy stupid”, aka center policy, not leftist policy that gets you elected. Plus when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you generally run from the center. So that’s what he did. And he won.
Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters! Aka: The left never shows up.
Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don’t stick your head out. He ran on broad “hope” and “yes we can” and having energy, hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush’s disastrous wars. And he won.
More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That’s great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never shows up.
Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.
Biden: Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don’t stick your head out left on anything. Not one thing. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. And he won.
Biden in office: But he did left things anyway. He did green energy (you’re against green energy?), EVs, drug price control, PACT act, Chips act, etc. And what were the results? Lost the House of Representatives for years 3 and 4. Polls showed him losing the election to Trump. He enacted left policy and: The left didn’t show up for midterms, and was not going to show up for the next election.
Harris: Harris ran on abortion rights, democracy and while she didn’t say it was apparent she’d continue green energy. She relied on the left to show up for their rights and for democracy. They couldn’t even do that. Aka the left never shows up. (Btw Bill Clinton was right, it’s the economy stupid. Trump won on the economy.)
And people are amazed that they don’t run a big left platform? Every time they rely on the left they lose. Every Single Time. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win. Because the center voters actually show up.
So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories first. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Show them it’s safe to take policy chances. Because right now every time they run on left platforms or enact left policies, they lose. Every. Single. Time.
“Build Back Better” never passed.
Technically correct on one bill BUT missing that most it was passed through different bills. So passed.
Are you today’s explanation? Every time the Dems lose, they go to the center to find voters. If you want them to go left, you have to give them wins first. Right now every time they go left, they lose. Biden gave green energy and build back better. The reward? Lose the house. Harris was going to pretty much continue. What was the answer? Voters said no. Their left policy made the Dems lose.
Other way round actually.
Nope, got another 3.5 years of reminding protest-non-voters what they voted for.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
For anyone like me BBEG is big bad evil guy.
You said “My point” not “Their point”.
This comic is water and its contents. Anyway, you’re being weird (b b but some water is kept!) and weirdly confrontational about this so ciao.
We done. Any faint hope that was left is gone with Trump 2.0. This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.