But it is a workers’ state.
Trotsky did not use the term deformed, he used the term removedd
“The USSR is a removedd worker’s state, but it is a worker’s state” was literally just trotsky’s position.
The filter crushes revisionismThis filter is the stupidest fucking shit. Hexbear isn’t some huge social media site like reddit and it’s not a brine pool of reactionaries like 4chan. I trust that most people around here know how to use words responsibly and appropriately (for example, when directly quoting a historical figure). Mods can sort out edge case edgelords. Why is it necessary to outright prohibit this?
Absolutely not. People come in from the outside all the time and id rather not be called slurs.
Who cares? It’s one word with many synonyms. Whining about the slur filter is ridiculous.
Because it leads to voluntary tiktokifcation of vocabulary.
A lot of people online these days use silly workaround phrases to get around hidden word filters, from “sewerslide” to “sesbian lex” (a trend that really got off the ground years ago on tik tok). Social media sites suppress or remove content containing these words to keep things advertiser-friendly. One nice thing about non-corpo social media such as the lemmyverse is that we don’t need to speak in such strange, convoluted, and infantalizing ways. My brother didn’t have a sewerslide, he comitted suicide. I don’t have sesbian lex, I fuck dykes.
More to the point, I find it incredibly offputting that we’re allowed to discuss unpleasant concepts but not name them. With the appropriate trigger warnings, anyone here can discuss the sexual violence that came with the Nakba (or the recent Israeli riots calling for the ",right to **** Palestinian prisoners). Or we could talk about the historiocity of claims that the Red Army ****ed its way through Germany at the end of WWII.
Everyone knows what I mean with the censored words. We’re all intelligent adults discussing history and horrific world events. Why can we discuss a concept but not name it?
Thank you!!! It’s just a silly layer of self censoring for a site that has no real need to do that! Like obviously if someone is saying a bunch of slurs the mods need to step in but the pre-emptive self censoring is just… silly
Also if a chud wanders in here and outright says to somebody “you’re a fucking removed” I think everyone can have a pretty good guess what slur they just got called based on the context and the general behavior of such people. Whether that word is censored or not that comment still needs to be removed and that person banned.
Why does it matter? Yes there’s a tendency to ban words describing the lack of certain human capacity, because people are exhausted and tired of scanning for crypto-fascism. Yes they are just going to adapt and use new words, what are you gonna do about it?
Focus on stuff that can actually improve the material reality for the people, so that they can spend less time scanning for danger, people will likely stop giving that much of a shit about cryptic symbols and language, once they secure a stable source of sustainable and prosperous life.
You can name the concept. Just don’t use loaded language and use CW’s. I don’t understand the problem here. Censoring the r-slur is not like censoring “lesbian sex”.
The specific example here is not a slur, variations of it are not banned either. You can say degeneration or just call someone a degen
the r-slur is a slur, calling something r-sluration doesn’t erase the impact of the word on someone. And that’s what the point of a filter is, to minimize impact.
edit: Oh I guess we’re talking about specific words and not the word filter in general. Well calling someone a degen is pretty sus so I’m not too worried about some discussion having to work around it.
For one, I still don’t know what term Trotsky used.
degen-erated
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To continue our conversation from another part of the thread
This here, that’s the problem. Right there. The fact that you think we are talking about a slur rather than another word. That’s the problem
well if it’s important to the conversation then edit the comment and add a description of the word in
it’s not a big deal but things like the sremovedhorpe problem are annoying and it gets in the way of some math topics but c/math isn’t exactly hopping and how much do we need to talk about how a point is a removed sphere anyway?
Paremovedo enthusiasts on hexbear have long suffered.
man i love winning groceries at a slot machine and then taking those groceries next door and selling them to a guy because that means it wasn’t really gambling
it also regularly breaks links and censors parts of west asian names
I would appreciate reports of any incidents of this when they happen so we can improve the filter.
The f-slur was formerly the primary culprit for both of those issues due to matching a common three letter sequence, but since tweaking it to match less aggressively, I haven’t noticed any instances of the slur filter breaking URLs or censoring names. That change was made back in mid-May so any examples since that time I will attempt to fix.
Nah I like the filter cause people never cw their shit and is basically a forced mini cw except for false positives
It would definitely be better if it functioned like an inline spoiler rather than wholesale replacing the text with removed.
Or make any comment matching the filter autospoilered with the collapsed text be the category of prohibited text.
and it’s not a brine pool of reactionaries like 4chan
Hold this position until you see some of the shit longtime users get banned for at times.
who cares
Isn’t this a translation?
A lot of trotsky stuff is translated from other languages, but he used “removed” in English speaking English to English speakers (Or at least I think so. I’m like 70% sure).
He specifically contrasts his views with other Trotskyists who think that the Soviet Union used to be a worker’s state, but is no more since the bureaucrats constitute a new class, and the idea of AES never having actually been socialism at all (Which is the crux of the “Deformed worker’s state” as opposed to the “removedd” worker’s state as I understand it. One made it to socialism but something “Went wrong” while the other was never truly a socialist state)Yep, it is
I checked the original, and he says “деформированное рабочее государство”, which is literally “deformed workers’ state”.
If you are correct you are correct, I shall check it later. It means I was incorrect about there being a distinction between the two terms to Trotsky himself, but it does raise the question of why subsequent trotskyist make a distinction between the two term and when he is arguing about the incorrect use of the term. That’s on me for reading in English and reading Trots to understand Trotskyism.
I have only a superficial familiarity with Trotsky’s works, so I can’t really say anything on how he uses those terms.
Turns out, same.
both panels should be Trotsky
