China’s education system also suppresses innovation while rewarding imitation. Although some Chinese schools conduct innovative experimental education, they remain few and have little impact.From childhood to adulthood, Chinese students are subjected to rote learning—memorizing and obeying rather than questioning or thinking independently. Thus, while Chinese students and researchers excel at replication and refinement of existing work, they are poor at true creativity.
ITT americans with an education system that leaves 28% of the population illiterate argue that their education system is better.
The OP on reddit is from Taiwan province, and wrote the article for Storm Media, whose founder was a general manager for Goldman Sachs
Completely unbiased source to make a lot of qualitative statements lmao
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China’s […] foreign aggression
China dropped more bombs on the Dalai Lama than the US did in Laos, Vietnam and Korea combined.
just the dalai lama himself
The fact that he’s still alive is of course proof of his divinity
We’re still waiting for the research to settle but at this time it seems like the bombs only made him more powerful
how many kilos of bombs did they drop on the dalai lama for the bombs per capita to exceed that of Laos? the answer after the break.
spoiler
~1 ton
Imagine dropping a 1 ton bomb on every person in a country you’re fighting… and still lose.
one (1) punitive expedition
a few border skirmishes with India
Taiwan doesn’t count, it’s a civil war still
a small Korean adventurethat’s it I think
Well there were all the times they teamed up with America to support some war criminals and the war with Vietnam. But I don’t think we can blame that given that neither of those things have disqualified anyone else.
There’s also the balloon
Oh god, not the balloon, please no
There were another 3 balloons, one of which invaded multiple countries in latin america, and another of which invaded Canada. This aggression can not be tolerated!
No you have to understand I’m an American who went to a gifted program and I need an excuse as to why my watching anime 36 hours a day makes me smarter than the child of semi-literate peasants from Guizhou who was taught Lagrangian Functions at age 4.
probably for the same reason Kissinger got the Nobel Prize
The Nobel Peace (of mind for westerners that the third world is kept subjugated) Prize.
at least then they had the sense to also give it to Lê Đức Thọ but he declined it for obvious and based reasons.
“The reason is that the Nobel committee is racist and Eurocentric.”
“The reason is that Europe is the center of all civilization and raciallyculturally superior.”Fascinating point. Would you like to see my mine shaft?
They really think they’re being so clever when they swap “race” and “culture” and act like that makes the same arguments acceptable and not at all racist.
when you mention a country that is not part of
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The original text of this article I (Wang Qingmin) wrote was in Chinese and was published in Taiwanese media outlets such as “Storm Media”
cool
its kind of fun that the two emotes are spit right along the prime miridian, slicing Britain in half so it may sink into the sea more quickly
I was thinking about the classes I’ve taken with Chinese professors, and it’s definitely the case that they have a teaching style that focuses more on memorizing things and understanding complex systems by breaking them down bit by bit. In practice, that means students spend some time just accepting some things as true until they see how everything fits the big picture at the end; Western education is a little more top-down where you start with the big picture, then look into the details. It’s a mistake to think that the former approach doesn’t teach students as much, or that it’s “rote-learning.” You learn things more thoroughly that way! It just requires more effort, too, and you gotta actually trust the professor to tie things together (one advantage of the top-down system is that if you have a trash professor that only sufficiently covers the big picture but leaves out the details, you can more easily read the literature on detailed information).
maybe it’s because the Nobel prize is awarded by western chauvinist bourgeoisie in Sweden
the education system in China is imo one of the worst things about the country. i get that that’s not really what this is about, since the USA (and many other western countries) also have awful education for most people, and still manage to produce nobel prize winners. however,
Chinese students are subjected to rote learning—memorizing and obeying rather than questioning or thinking independently.
is something I sort of agree with (but could be worded better). but,
Thus, while Chinese students and researchers excel at replication and refinement of existing work, they are poor at true creativity.
is turning a cultural institutional problem into borderline racist rhetoric (and i say borderline but knowing this is some redditor they probably would march the whole way into overt racism if you prod them)
Chinese students are subjected to rote learning—memorizing and obeying rather than questioning or thinking independently.
Couldn’t this be said of most education systems in the world? Teaching students to think independently is difficult, hard to scale, and typically creates friction with whoever is in charge (even if they’re communists). I definitely remember having this criticism of my American schools
to some degree yes, but my experience of northern/western european schools vs east asian schools is that in the west, students often do projects, do research, do presentations, and need to answer exam questions with multiple sentences, where as in EA it’s more focused on memorizing, reciting, and picking an answer from multiple choices without always needing to explain why that is the correct answer (apparently this is also the norm in the US?)
Multiple choice is, last I had awareness of it, which was admittedly several years ago now, still important to many of the most important standardized tests. They’ll have like two or three essay questions, like 10 - 20 short answer questions, and maybe 50 multiple choice questions. At least, that’s how I remember it. Of course, the open-ended ones have greater weight, I’m not saying multiple choice is rendered 25 times more important than the essay questions because it definitely is not.
In Puerto Rico (so mix of US education and latam) we had both, usually with more dedicated teachers doing open ended questions and those who were too overworked or didn’t care just used multiple choice and memorization.
This could be a scale problem. Memorization doesn’t ask much from the teachers; you could probably have non-experts deliver adequate results. It’s hard to find and train a lot of teachers skilled enough to lead more open-ended stufy.
China’s artificial sun achieved 1066 consecutive seconds of steady plasma loop literally 6 months ago, more than doubling the previous record of 400 seconds. Which was also held by China.
BUT AT WHAT COST?
They used Uyghurs as a fuel source trust me brO
1066? Clearly China plans to recreate the Norman invasion of England. Long live Xilliam the Conquerer!
First, you need to understand why so many Chinese people worship Elon Musk and people like him.
There is a popular discourse that has been circulating in China for many years, which is “0->1 and 1->100”.
It is well accepted that Chinese people can take 1 to 100, and there is simply no competition there. Once anyone has made a functional prototype (usually with unusually high investment in cost, time and effort), Chinese people will eventually make it better than anyone else and perfect them (while drastically lowering the production cost).
However, it is also well accepted that most 0 to 1 (typically basic/fundamental sciences, or the initial prototyping of a concept) has come from foreigners. These people are seen as visionaries who can turn concept into reality, and are seen as highly prized talents for many Chinese academia.
BYD had been investing in attempts to make EV prototypes for years, but nobody (important) gave a damn about them. Until Elon Musk brought Tesla into China in 2014.
Why? Because Elon Musk is seen as this “visionary genius” (lol, but I’m not joking! he really is worshipped like that) who can turn “0 to 1”. This is why people like him are so well regarded in China.
(Context: At the time, many Chinese internet companies were going through their golden era and had accumulated a huge mass of profit, and were looking for avenues to pour their investment into. This coincided with the start of 14th Five-Year Plan (2016-2020), the government was looking to reduce the overcapacity issue and used the prioritization of green tech to incentivize the local governments to reduce the productive capacity of lower end industries. Under the confluence of 14th FYP and internet company money, Elon Musk (no joke) inadvertently became the “grandfather” of Chinese EV breakthrough)
The Chinese leadership was so enamored by Elon Musk that they gave huge subsidies for Tesla to open its superfactory in Shanghai, and became the only foreign automobile company that did not have to partner up with a domestic company.
Once the Tesla plant began its production in 2019, it has essentially achieved its effects of spurring the EV research and development in China. Chinese EVs began to be churned out at rapid pace starting in 2020-2021, and the rest is history. Everyone knew that China can turn 1 to 100, once the initial base of EV development has been established. But people like Elon Musk, are seen as the pioneers in the field.
There have many debates over the years about why we are behind in the “0 to 1” fundamental breakthrough, some think it is the rote learning aspect of the education system that deprives creative thinking. I am not an expert in the topic so will not be speculating the reasons, but I do agree that rote learning is part of the problem. The system does need to change if we want to encourage students to innovate and provide them with a space of academic freedom to pursue basic research.
Also, a fun fact: there has been no Nobel prize winner from China in the sciences since the educational system reform of the 1970s in the reform and opening up era.
Thats really sad because Musk didnt innovate shit, just the person who made the most money off of electric cars
Very sad. It was incredibly funny to see the disparity in internet discourses earlier this year, when American libs were condemning Elon Musk as the greatest evil, many on the Chinese internet was like “Elon was trying so hard to help Trump save America (the DOGE thing was quite popular with his fans lol) but he was pushed out by the crazy MAGAs! America is doomed! It’s game over for America.” They were depicting Elon Musk as this heroic savior who could have single handedly save the US from its decline.
lmao, you can’t make this shit up
Oh my days
To be fair, China is a huge country so clearly most people are not like that. But it’s funny to see just how many supporters he had in China when he was like the most hated guy in the US earlier this year.
And unfortunately a lot of it has to do with the anti-LGBT people who believe that Western openness is causing a decay in their own society and they share Elon’s anti-LGBT stance as a “fix” toward that. It’s a mess of incoherent politics and ideologies so I don’t even bother to deconstruct them too much.
What’s interesting is just how many government officials and business leaders liked him, at least in the 2010s when he was seen as this pioneering visionary in green technology, which China really wanted to emulate at the time lol. Did nobody realize he’s been a scam all this while?
Good points. I think the 0 to 1 is being broken, though. China has made some great innovations. You mention BYD. Well BYD was the one who came up with the blade technology for batteries that made them a ton safer. Even Tesla still uses it. Then there is the new Sodium Ion batteries. Stuff like that. I don’t think the world is ready for the new paradigm.
America focuses on rote learning pretty hard too, though.
It’s quite true but America also has a huge head start compared to everyone else. The declining quality in the American education system is not deniable.
What’s crazy was the contribution of USSR to basic sciences and the Nobel prizes they racked up. Go look up the Nobel prize for quantum electronics in 1964, where N. Basov and A. Prokhorov. Both fought in the Red Army during WWII. Prokhorov was a physics student, fought the Nazis, wounded twice, went back to defend his PhD after the war, then proceeded to win the Nobel prize. Crazy stories.
That’s incredible. I’ll have to look them up.
And ya, I think it will continue to get worse as time goes on. They are clamping down on various history, philosophy, and humanities studies (except business or neoliberal economics of course), which restrict the regular education of topics like analysis and critical thinking. I suspect as they get worried about a backlash to their fascist agenda rote learning and purely career-focused training will increase to produce less critical thinking and independent workers, but will also make them less well-rounded and creative as a side-effect. But that’s just my guess.
is there any actual material basis for there being a difference between “0 to 1” and “1 to 100”, china is a world leader in technology and has been for awhile now?
also, if there’s any truth to chinese education harming creative thinking, i dont think rote memorization has anything to do with it, it’s just because from what i understand school in china fucking sucks to experience, if you want to encourage learning and creativity you need the learning enviroment to be fun and stress free which is true of school in approximately 0% of the world imho
Literally all of that describes
lol
The answer is western racism
Who cares about the nobel prize? It’s just a way for rich people to pretend to be philanthropists. Neoliberalism destroys any meaning of prizes or competitions to begin with, because it’s obvious the group who can actually get them or get any benefits out of them is smaller and smaller. So much for driving innovation, we live in a death cult.
they just gave it to some random cia plant so like who tf cares
Isn’t this about the science Nobels?
It’s a foundation set up by a rich scientist who thought he was exceptionally smart and wanted to encourage other exceptionally smart people, to guide humanity. I’m sure they acknowledge the need for all the workers who through their collective effort actually make discoveries possible, but to them they are the true heroes, the pilots of the ignorant masses, the ones who really make the big decisions.
It’s a foundation set up by a rich scientist who thought he was exceptionally smart and wanted to encourage other exceptionally smart people,
It’s a foundation set up by an industrial magnate and scientist to launder his repuation because he realised people would remember him for the deaths he caused. That is the official story, they don’t hide it. It is the most honest attempt at reputation laundering the world has ever seen.
The family made their money making weapons, Alfred’s dad invented the sea mine, the Nobel name is still on weapon companies.Thank you for correcting me. The history I was taught is so white washed and I keep forgetting
No worries. The Nobels are almost refreshing in how open they are about how much they sucked, and it sort of lets them get away with still being shit. The Nobel Prizes are a PR coup unlike any other.
It is about nobel prizes in general, so it might include literature etc. But yeah it’s also science nobel prizes.
It’s just a way for rich people to pretend to be philanthropists.
No need to pretend for most of them. They just need to say it how Charlie does in that one It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia bit.
Chinese students are educated to understand that capitalism is a tool to be used and not an altar to worship at.
