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I’m surprised “make our pickups and SUVs even bigger” wasn’t suggested.
This child-murder truck is not child-murdery enough!
“It’s bigger because of safety innovations.”
For the driver, of course. We need more data on dead kids to continue to innovate. And cyclists or anyone else who dares to use a mode of transporation that isn’t a box on four wheels.
If you can’t fuck em kill em right? /s
Child-animal-wheelchair users-short people-etc.-murder truck*
I love my BYD Dolphin Mini. It never occurred to me to look at a US made electric car lol
Seriously Western EVs are not bad. They are just too expensive.
Western EVs are not bad.
(Except Tesla.)
Is this the pinnacle of safety features Tesla or…
Volvo, probably. If I had to pick one manufacturer who’s always been on the leading edge of safety.
As for Tesla, I wouldn’t consider “lock all the doors when the car catches on fire” to be a very good safety feature.
Volvo Cars is majority owned by Chinese company Geely. Perhaps not ‘Western’ anymore
But Geely actually gave Volvo money unlike when Ford had stake in Volvo.
I mean… They kind of are. I had my old cars leading period end and I went to drive many cars. I tried everything from Audi to XPeng and for all of the western brands, save Tesla the level of system integration is just… Very limited. The Chinese cars have mostly copied Tesla, but XPeng for example had a feature to build little automations in their app.
The UX on most weatern brands is lagging behind by almost 10 years. The trunks are small and mostly no frunks. The base versions have very few goodies and a similar level of features brings the cost to about 1.5x. The price aspect is there, but it’s not just that.
Still, I don’t want to drive a nazimobile and I feel like I don’t want a Chinese car either.
it’s amazing how you claim western stuff is bad because small trunk and no front storage. but your claims for why the other stuff is good is because of some stupid application for you phone… which has NOTHING to do with the car itself.
because of some stupid application for you phone… which has NOTHING to do with the car itself.
I can say after driving 5 different brands over the last few years… The software on legacy autovehicles is dogshit. You just don’t notice it until you experience something better. Just the entire user experience is terrible from legacy automakers compared to new companies. Tesla, Polestar, and Lucid gave overall great experiences even if there were individual issues. Kia, Honda, GM, and Mercedes all sucked ass for various reasons. Android Auto and Apple Carplay only do so much, they really only handle navigation and media, everything else is still dependent on the manufacturer.
You may not care about the phone app, or consider it part of the car, but it is part of the driving and ownership experience. And I will tell you that being able to simply walk out to the car, get in, and drive away without having to press anything on a key fob, take out a card, press a start button, or anything is an extremely nice user experience. Likewise being able to start the climate control remotely from inside the house or a store, or having it precondition so it’s ready at a time you usually leave, or based on your calendar, is a very nice feature… Especially if you live in an extremely hot or cold area
Again, you may not find these features important, I didn’t when I first switched to an EV in 2018, but they are basic necessary functions in any vehicle I look at now. If they are missing, or inconsistent, the user experience sucks in comparison. And because they are software, they cost very little to implement compared to hardware things. They are a very easy way for the manufacturer to add value to the vehicle experience for very little cost, yet they still don’t.
Nearly all of those QoL features are just sugar coated privacy invasion. I’d prefer physical knobs, fobs and buttons with a bare minimum interface to set charging periods and preconditioning. My life isn’t ruined by turning a key and I can be sure that a future fascist OTA update won’t brick the car for undesirables.
The worst thing is GM has a decent competitor (a little bit pricier, but not terrible) in the Bolt, but they are not producing many of them with their new release, and are instead refocusing on larger, worse EVs.
Chinese manufactures are subsidized and they have a regulated home market to their advantage to build from. It is a well thought out cooperation between companies & government, which the USA and the EU are lacking.
American companies are subsidized with bailouts and tax write offs, it just goes to the owners instead of making the products cheaper.
Error, not like how the Chinese does it. It’s literally an integrated government+ industry. There is a worker pipeline and a parts pipeline that intergrates everything with the help of the government. In the us, you get a couple of bucks off a car. Not the same.
I’d settle for cheaper.
If they stopped adding features nobody asked for it would be a lot cheaper. Look at how Slate is doing.
They haven’t delivered anything yet. They have pre-orders for now that will fill a year of production, but how much of that is people who buy anything new but won’t buy again, vs sustainable people like this and so customers will keep coming.
Only time will tell.
Sure, they have simply demonstrated that there is demand.
Just like all the deposits on the cybertruck……oh wait.
BYD is picking on GM because GM is the only legacy US automaker making a full range of decent EVs.
Ditch cars, build/use rail.
ugh, if only
What about places far away from rail?
The actual thing they need to do in order to compete is in-source parts manufacturing in order to take advantage of economies of scale… Like the Chinese EV manufacturers do.
Basically, toss out the Chicago school of economics thinking and go back to their roots as an all-things manufacturer. Ideally, they’d innovate as part of that by adopting new technologies like 3D printing to bring costs down and accelerate improvements.
I don’t mean “3D printing for prototyping.” They already do that. I mean, 3D print the final part. If it works for fucking rockets going into space, it can work for cars too. Especially electric vehicles which are much simpler to make.
Also when you pay pennies on the dollar for labor it cuts costs for EVs.
Is this the country that bans anyone saying anything negative about the federal government?
America?
They’re not quite at China’s levels yet but Trump is doing his best to get there.
What do you mean China “bans” anyone who talks negatively about the federal gov’t?
America just gave someone 30 years for handing out pamphlets.
Are you confused?
I mean in China it is illegal to criticize the federal government. There are no newspapers, no organizations, nothing that ever says anything Xi or the Party does is bad. In China, for the past several decades, you would get 30 years or worse for handing out pamphlets.
But yes, it is quite concerning that America is headed in the same direction.
Source your statement.
Here, there’s a few hundred sources in the most recent Amnesty International report, good luck discrediting them all:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/
And none of them are worse than 30 years in prison for a pamphlet. Weird.
Which one? I made a lot of statements.
Are you seriously doubting the human rights violations of China? Because if you are, then first you need to tell me exactly what source you’d believe, and wouldn’t just immediately try to discredit or blame on western propaganda or whatever.
Show me something that proves you would get worse than 30 years in prison for handing out a pamphlet that criticizes the federal goverent of China, that’s not western propaganda.
Yes, western propaganda is wrong, and wants you to believe there is no genocide in Gaza, and China is bad.
Anything from the United Nations will do.
Chinese authorities intensified control over information and public discourse, and continued to suppress dissent and peaceful assembly. Participants in religious activities were persecuted through surveillance, raids and security laws. Human rights defenders, writers, artists and other civil society actors continued to be detained and prosecuted under vague national security provisions; censorship and online surveillance of these groups persisted. Authorities suppressed activism aimed at achieving gender equality and imposed restrictions on freedom of expression by women and LGBTI people, particularly in digital spaces. China continued to use the death penalty. Renewable energy capacity increased significantly, but fossil fuel consumption also continued to rise. Ethnic groups including Uyghurs and Tibetans remained under strict political and cultural control. In the Hong Kong and Macao Special Administrative Regions, national legislation further eroded human rights.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/east-asia/china/report-china/
Literally none of that is 30 years in prison, lmao. Did you read your own copy paste?
Nah the real move is to steal IP, manipulate your currency to decrease the cost of exports and to brutally mine the resources from poorer countries
They learned from the best!
The company that can make an EV that gets you 100 miles range for $10,000 and can fit at least three people will become one of the dominant players.
My cargo e-bike could do that, assuming you can carry an extra battery and the passengers are kids. And for a lot less than $10K, too.
It’s annoying how the world, especially North America, is designed around vehicles that “can fit at lest three people” but are most frequently driven by a single person.
I love my ebike, and don’t own a car, but even for short trips things would be more convenient with a car. The roads are designed for cars. Parking is designed for cars. Laws protect cars far more than bikes.
Maybe that will change. What happened in the Netherlands since the 1970s gives me hope. But, right now it’s sad how the switch away from the gas-powered car seems to be toward electric cars rather than bikes, ebikes and mass transit.
Any vehicle I have must fit at least 3 people, because at any time I must be able to move myself + the 2 kids. I could get a little 2-seater runabout for 90% of my driving (or maybe a motorcycle or something similar), but then I would have to have another vehicle, at additional license costs, interest costs, storage costs, and then have to guess which one I will need by the end of the day at the start, consistently every time. Because of this, every vehicle I own must be able to do every thing I can conceivably need to do in a given day.
From what I can tell, this condition exists for a plurality of drivers in the driving-centric parts of the US, and so became the standard because it’s the minimum for those people.
Car brain really is a thing. Here in the UK it seems to be considered a thing that if you can afford one, you have one.
I sold my car (my wife has and needs one to be fair) 4-5 yrs back. Tried to make an ebike work but it didn’t fit my lifestyle so I bought an electric moped and it’s handled everything I’ve thrown at it.
Traffic is no longer a thing so it saves me so much time not having to allow time for it, it’s generally quicker/as quick as a car on all the trips I do, parking is easy and it’s dirt cheap to run.
Not sure I’ll ever buy a car again
How often is your wife’s car used for household errands? I don’t own a car but occasionally I’ve borrowed one for certain things.
It’s cheaper to buy bulky packages of say rice or toilet paper, but they’re inconvenient to move without a car. Furniture is nearly impossible to move with the bike I have. I could get a cargo bike, but where I live that would be impractical without a garage or a big shed to store it, whereas a car can just sit in a driveway.
I think I’ll be able to get by without a car for the foreseeable future, but I’ll probably end up using cars occasionally. If I can’t borrow one, I’ll maybe start using a car sharing service.
I’d use public transit, but honestly where I live and where I want to go it’s only slightly faster than walking, and so it’s almost never a worthwhile option.
I live in Atlanta, which ain’t exactly the poster-child for bike-friendliness. But even here, at least in my part of town, it actually is getting to the point where short trips are genuinely more convenient on a bike. Dropping the kids off at school definitely is because I don’t have to wait in line, and any destination downtown is best reached on a bike because I don’t have to pay for parking. Going to the grocery store isn’t quite better by bike, but the margin is close enough that I bike anyway.
Here in the UK you can pick up a secondhand Tesla with 60% depleted battery with a guranteed 100 miles range for £8,000. Less than 10 years old and with less than 40k miles.
Obviously everyone will call you a cunt but it’s possible.
I think you vastly underestimate the number of people that believe they need 400+ mole range on their vehicle despite never leaving their city.
