Toot link; transcript:
Greta Thunberg could have, by now, carved out a very comfortable life for herself as a liberal grifter-celebrity offering platitudes about personal responsibility at Davos. Instead she connected the dots between ecocide, capital, and empire, aiming squarely at the heart of the beast. And now fresh out of captivity she downplays her own suffering to recenter the urgency of aid to the Palestinian people. No wonder she’s hated by the fascist+lib coalition that rules this world.
Author: JP (@jpbreton@mastodon.social)
That interview she just put out was gut wrenching. She has every right to feel indignant at her treatment but she still wants to fight and reframe the discussion around those that are suffering more.
Shes basically The Shit.
She is as bad ass as these right wing grifters wished they were. But if your audience is brain dead, you don’t actually have to do anything, you can just claim things.
Unsure if it’s the one you’re referring to, but she did an interview in Swedish and the frustration you hear from her is just as gut wrenching.
I could speak of all of the children who are no longer able to go to school, of all the children who required amputation, of all the children now orphaned. Of all of the houses and quarters that have been obliterated by bombs. I could also speak of the extreme physical abuse and the torture we were subjected to in prison. I could speak of the many bombings that our boats were attacked with on the way to Gaza. But nothing sticks! I could list all the international laws and UN conventions that Israel is breaking every day, of which we have seen a tiny, tiny piece. But this has already been said thousands of times. And like I said, it doesn’t stick.
She technically says “it doesn’t bite” rather than stick, but I don’t think that kind of phrasing works in English. In essence, it means to have an effect. She expresses that nothing she can say will have any sort of effect, so why bother talking about it? That it’s not like we’re unaware of what’s going on, but that we’re choosing to ignore it. How no matter what atrocities we’re exposed to, nothing has the effect of making those in power do something about it.
We’re pouring money to Ukraine in this proxy war against Russia, which obvs. isn’t a bad thing, Ukraine deserves the support. Yet our politicians are expressing none of that staunch humanitarian fervour for the Palestinians.
the queen of protests, adored by the radical left, a purely protest based organization. life goal? that’s way too long term for you
obvious troll above. For everyone else: Greta and the Flotilla team were illegally raided while providing life-saving food aid to the Palestinian victims of Israel’s starvation campaign. It’s far from “purely protest”
Hey, look…it’s jimmy90 the zionist, again! How ya doing, jimmy? Still in training to be a cunt?
It doesn’t look like they need any more training tbh
Get a job
Tougher than you’ll ever be.
EAD
Is your life goal being a lowly comment stooge for people that dont give a shit if you die tomorrow?
She should win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Not only does she deserve it, but the tantrum Mango Mussolini would throw about it would be so fucking funny.
That would be hilarious! Such an irony, lol!
When are they given out? I notice some Nobel prizes for science/whatever are already being announced.
And he has to hand it to her. Can you imagine?
The Nobel peace prize is reserved for war criminals. It’s a fucking joke.
How? She probably hasn’t even raped a child.
Also never dropped the United States’ surplus of WWII-era bombs on Asians.
She’s still young, so you never know.
She doesn’t care about that.
She’s apparently been nominated several times
The woman has impeccable integrity and a worldwide audience. I cannot overstate how dangerous she is. No amount of money or manipulation can turn her sights off pollution and genocide.
Put yourself in the place of the wealthy. You can buy anything you want, nothing is out of bounds. Everyone kisses your ass and does as you say. But this pestiferous little woman can’t be bought, and failing that, she cannot be threatened. Carry her off to jail for the evening, your picture is placed alongside a picture of her smiling as the cops drag her off. Imagine your shock and fear! This is totally outside your experience. I’m rather surprised she hasn’t been quietly assassinated, made to look an accident.
“Because some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”
Or not burn as the case may be. :)
Nothing short of killing her would work, and even then she would be a martyr
If she would be killed it would 100% make her a martyr. Literally any form of trying to suppress her achieves the same effect. She is too powerful for the elite to ignore her, but also to powerful to really act against her.
And that is why Israhell didn’t kill her.
“If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”
Greta is the real deal. She is unironically unfathomably based.
The conversations I’ve had about her when she first made waves were all the same.
Them: I can’t stand her, who does that little pipsqueeck think she is telling adults what to do?
Me: What does her age have to do with what she is saying? Does it make the message any less true?
Them: well… erm… I mean
The OBVIOUS takeaway didn’t have the “obvious takeaway” sticker all over it I guess ffs.
It always bothered me how back then people were all “well, I don’t see her coming up with any solutions!”
She’s a kid my friend, she’s a kid using her free speech in a democratic manner to call for the powers that be to make change. She doesn’t need to have the answers, that’s not her job. Why are you expecting a child to do the work of adults? Fucking expect more from the adults that are doing fuck all to accomplish anything but fatten their pockets and hollow out our public properties.
Edit: I’m talking about then, not now. I know that she’s not a kid anymore.
It’s the embodiment of ad hominem. She can’t be right because she’s (was) a kid.
In a way i really hate these “fuck greta” stickers. On the other hand it says so much about the person who would put them on their cars or motorcycles, that it’s hard to be mad about.
I was at my mechanic one day and some guy brought in his car, while a friend of his then picked him up with his bike. Both of them proudly sported a fuck greta sticker. It was very confusing and back then the first time i have ever seen them. That was when she was still under age, i think.
I asked him what the deal was with it. And he said: i hate that little green cunt, and she’s trying to tell me what to do? Hell nah. I didn’t want to engage in the conversation any more, but in hindsight i wish i asked him what talking points he hated the most. Because i don’t think she cares that you drive a 1.6l VW and probably doesn’t care about your friends motorcycle.
Ho Ho…ones opinion of Greta is, to make, a truly accurate barometer of your character. Funny how mainly assholes dislike her.
It really is a simple litmus test. Why would you hate the girl that’s sometimes on the news, standing tall for what she believes in, if you aren’t a complete piece of shit? What reasonable explanation could there be for hating her? None.
If you mean the speedo clad waxed ape, he hates everyone smarter than him, which is basically everyone because the man has the IQ of a meat locker.
I originally disliked her whole thing because to me, it looked like she had been groomed and pushed by her parents for fame by proxy. Oh boy how have I been proved wrong, and I admire that brave woman.
She has amazing willpower, connections and fame, she could have a cushy job as a PR mascot or a CEO, But guess what? She still chooses to be on the trenches, fighting for all of us trapped under capitalism’s boot, so we can’t spread our message like her.
I truly admire her, her message and what she stands for.
She legit deserves to be canonized as a saint, yet republicunts want to rape her.
Those two go hand-in-hand.
I feel like when it comes to passion, autism is a superpower. My neurotypical self, would never.
More power to her.
Will is a superpower. Drive and focus are superpowers. Hyperfixation are just happenstance. She has done this of her own making and design, not because of a quirk of her birth. Anyone is capable of it, given the right mindset.
Yes and no.
Strong feelings about perceived justice and refusing to do what you know is wrong, to the point you rather sacrifice yourself then make a compromise are clinically known common tenets in autism.
Source: I am an autist and this was part of my diagnosis. It remains a challenge in holding a job because i refuse to work for anything that creates profit and frequently openly question the ethics of management decisions.
Still Greta is an idol of mine since her first move precisely because she did what i had never been able too. Which was to stop listening to my peers and acting on my own accord.
Strong feelings about perceived justice and refusing to do what you know is wrong, to the point you rather sacrifice yourself then make a compromise are clinically known common tenets in autism.
This feels like something added by groups in power who want to maintain a status quo rather than an actual medical scientific reasoning, kind of how before being LGBT was a mental disease and women’s brains were different and that’s why they couldn’t do what men do in white collar jobs or positions of power. Or phrenology being used to explain why whites were superior.
Something they don’t teach in school is how the concept of a disability only emerges in contrast to an individuals environment.
If the majority of people where high functioning neurodivergents then the world would be designed to play into their strengths and they would be “neurotypical”. Everyone who is neurotypical now would have a neurological disadvantage and thus count as disabled.
In a modern perspective of autism and adhd in human history its quite possible that society requires us as a subgroup, similar (often overlapping) to the prehistoric advantage of having 10% of you group being nightowls that could keep the communal fire burning.
A rash of artificial selection experiments has provided serious support for the existence of the type of ‘balancing selection’ at the population level you describe.
One experimental setup I know really well involved frightening aquaria full of zebra fish (an important model species for many things in biology research.
The researchers would hide behind a curtain until everything was quiet and calm, then emerge and make note of which fish swam away to hide and which came to the glass to investigate the investigators.
Breed shy with shy and bold with bold and very soon you have two populations that behave either over-cautiously or in an overly risky way. Artificial selection is a cool way to identify the genetic basis of these sorts of traits.
One conclusion to come from doing this in various model species (even fruit flies have this population level variation in response to new stimulus) is that ‘balancing selection’ seems to maintain populations naturally with about 25% ‘bold’ phenotypes with the remainder taking the careful ‘shy’ approach.
They have been able to identify some of the genetic basis of these differences in behavior, too.
So yea it’s very socially determined which neurotypes will prosper.
As they say,
If you are poor, you are considered crazy.
If you are middle class you are neurotic.
If you are rich, you are just eccentric.
Good point and you are right. Her drive and focus are what’s import here.
I think they should remove Aspergers from the autism umbrella. It’s clearly advanced or evolutionary, not a negative syndrome. I know, some won’t have excuses to make anymore, but that’s probably a good thing.
No it’s not. I have what used to called Aspergers and it’s not a freaking superpower, it made my childhood a painful and confusing time and still causes my trouble today. You can’t judge all autistics by one autistic. Look at Elon Musk, you think he represents the autistic community?
My cousin was diagnosed with Asperger’s a long time ago and I can agree with you for a fact that it definitely presents in many different ways, and cannot simply be called a ‘superpower’. He has struggled for a very long time and continues to struggle to this day. Thank you for providing a balanced opinion.
Well there is a sociological theory that autism evolved and was kept around in the population because the tribe always needed someone laser focused on the tiny differences between berries or something. They were probably responsible for a lot of the leaps forward because everyone else would be just getting on with life and didn’t have the mental space for anything else.
After they invented flint napping it probably gave them very high status within the tribe, so they would have had a lot of kids and so the trait was retained. But equally it would be detrimental if everyone was like that because you still need people to be good at hunting so although the trait would have survived, it would have always been a minority of the population. Which of course is exactly what we see, it just looks a bit different now there are 7 billion of us.
Processes for Cheese? Sour dough? Beer? As if these were invented by normies, amirite?
Yeah whoever invented beer was probably given leader of the tribe lifetime status.
Although jokes aside it probably wasn’t very strong, it was more about finding way to purify water
Those are so easy to make they’re likely accidents. Literally just leave some random fruit in water and you’ll probably get alcohol or vinegar.
Easy in retrospect, yes. So easy, that now even neurotypical people can follow recipes and make good beer or wine.
But it takes a special sort of nerd to notice the differences in when that random spoiled fruit turns to alcohol and when it goes straight to vinegar. It takes a deeply different mindset to get obsessed with that question and do the work to figure out how to control the process by experimenting.
Sure, yes and true until we get to the last sentence. Anyone is absolutely not capable. There are many reasons why some people will never get to the mindset required to sustain any of these superpowers no matter what because the genes and brain wiring you end up with are more powerful than any external factors.
She’s my hero
In a world of Charlie Kirks, be a Greta Thunberg.
“Fresh out of captivity”?
What did I miss?
She got arrested and beaten by Israelis when trying to deliver supplies to Gaza via boat .
She got arrested for a second time. She’s probably going to be arrested a third time too.
Under maritime law, she was a victim of kidnapping and piracy, and was never arrested as it happened outside Israel’s territorial waters, where it has no authority to have a blockade.
This response is based on the San Remo Manual of International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea.
If Israel is conducting a lawful blockade, then they can intercept neutrals who have expressed intent to run the blockade. It doesn’t matter whether the events happen in Israel’s territorial waters, international waters, or the territorial waters of Israel’s enemy.
A blockade is an act of war, and war doesn’t respect territories, and it’s not always respectful to neutrals.
Now, there is a decent argument that this particular blockade is unlawful for a different reason: it is a collective punishment of Gazan civilians. Collective punishment of civilian populations as a whole was made illegal after WWII.
Secondly, the blockade is unlawful if its only purpose is to starve the enemy population of food (102). Israel must be getting some proportionate military advantage out of this blockade besides the starvation for it to be lawful.
And finally, regardless of whether the blockade is legal, Israel has to let the humanitarian supplies pass through (103-104). And I’m not sure they did that. They will say that they let these things through on the (heavily regulated) land route, but the book here doesn’t say that land route is a substitute. Also, they are not using an impartial Protective Power to distribute the aid. This is why they offered to reroute the flotilla’s supplies on to the land channel.
Note: the rule is they have to let the supplies through, not the people or vessels. If they’re running a legitimate blockade, they can capture neutral vessels that are running it, and they can capture the neutrals on board and subject them to legal process, or maybe even intern them for the duration of conflict
Since hamas lacks a Navy, it’s an easy case
Israel presumably says that the purpose of the blockade is to prevent supplies that can be used in war from reaching hamas and that food is taken in.
We know this is not true but it illustrates the challenge of a legal approach.
It’s sad to me that you need to consult the “big book of made-up rules” to argue against Greta being kidnapped by a genocidal colonial state
The latest aid flotilla to Palestine that she was taking part in was abducted by Israeli forces in international waters. I’ve seen various comments on her treatment by those Israeli forces but none of them were humane, spanning from forcing her and other victims to sleep in pest-infested conditions to actual physical assault.
I swear that yanks live under a fucking rock
On a good day, sure. Even before the pandemic, absolutely. But it’s so much worse now.
Many of us have checked out of all but the most headlining headlines, because our media is under siege and pumped full of propaganda and factional nonsense from every extreme group imaginable. Then we have the areas of discourse online that are experiencing censorship, troll farms, automated comment brigades, and more. Finally, actual news, both foreign and domestic, is just really fucking terrifying a lot of the time now. This has all turned into such a tarpit of despair, that one could easily drown in it. We’re missing a lot of actual information because not only is it harder to see for all the noise, but we’re retreating more and more to save our own mental health.
Edit: some other Lemming on here felt that we’re seeing a war waged in real-time, in the information domain. They may be right.
To that edit, absolutely. If we treated targeted disinformation campaigns with the intent of sowing domestic discord as the hostile actions of a foreign government, which they clearly are, then we would view ourselves as at war with at least two major countries right now. Instead we decided to shrug and throw our own disinformation on the pile.
Hey a good rock is hard to find
I can’t believe I used to hate this woman. She’s so badass.
why did you hate her?
I really really REALLY want to hear ONE sentient answer to this question. I cannot understand it. I can’t even understand the ROUTE your logic would take.
Yes, there are influencers out celebrating their own actions a bit too much for promotional purposes. The worst I’ll ever feel for them is rolling my eyes and not caring about them.
I want to believe I could be convinced otherwise, but I almost feel like regardless of what circumstances you were built up around or how you learned about a person like her, there has to be something fundamentally wrong with you to have hatred for someone showing concern for the world’s path of self destruction, and putting themselves at risk for everyone’s sake to try to resolve it.
Not op but I can take a stab. How often do we see empty patronizing platitudes from those privileged enough to make them without consequence… often all it is are just words. So much so that when you see someone taking a public stand, especially someone as young as Greta was when she entered the public spotlight, it’s easy to just be a jaded bitter asshole, rolling your eyes at some foreign tween who thinks that she’s going to fix the world’s problems. How naive she is. There’s no way she’s actually going to make an actual impact other than bringing groans from those who would see her fail.
We often hate those who are closest to us we envy for having the conviction that we lack.
Ah so it’s self hatred.
Yeah, given the amount of actual real insufferable assholes out there that even put work and intent into hurting others, I’m also curious why someone would take the kind of time out of their day to focus their ire on her.
Nothing wrong with her. I was just sexist, ageist and a coward.
Saw a woman trying her best to make a change and getting praised for it. Decided she was somehow annoying and didn’t deserve all the attention she was getting.
Well, I’m not like I used to be.
Thank you for sharng this. I really needed to see an example of being decent and growing today.
Wow, what a nice self-reflection, congrats sir
good on you for escaping your toxic past self.
Sick personal growth, dude. Love to see it
Abso-fucking-lutely well said. Kudos to you for having the strength of character to admit your failings and be able to reflect on them. A willingness to say “I was wrong” without throwing a tantrum or doubling down is sorely needed in this world.
Welcome to the Former Bigots Club! Membership perks include randomly cringing at a memory of past convictions, profound sadness when you see other people stuck in that same pit of hatred and occasionally imposter syndrome making you wonder if you’re really a good person.
It takes genuine courage to confront your own biases and outgrow them, you should be proud
ST. GRETA!!!
The definition of a real hero.
What your listing is a plain and simple definition of antisemitism /s
