• grrgyle@slrpnk.net
    14·
    2 months ago

    I love this kind of philosophy. I wish it were possible to access it on a tangible level, but sadly it seems consciousness is local phenomena

      • volore@scribe.disroot.org
        13·
        2 months ago

        shrooms can make you more empathetic, but in my case it also unlocked a new kind of depression in realizing that so many who need a change of perspective to see things that way, even for but a glimpse, never will. I felt such love and empathy for others in that moment, and such sorrow that it would never be felt nor returned by the vast majority of others; I understood perfectly in that moment what Edgar Mitchell meant by an “instant global consciousness”, and how we would likely never achieve this state of enlightenment among enough individuals to matter.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        5·
        2 months ago

        Yeah they can make you feel that way especially if you do them with a tight friend, but in reality you’re still locked into your own perspective.

        Maybe if more people believed we could kind of willingly feel it by proxy. Kind of like how mirror neurons let you simulate the other on your own equipment.

  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
    10·
    2 months ago

    My thought recently has been:

    1. The universe is physical, ie made of material stuff. There is just stuff and the forces between stuff

    2. Stuff is governed by physical laws

    3. The interractions between things are relatively simple, but get much more complex and seemingly ramdom the more stuff you add

    4. This seeming randomness is not true randomness because the interractions between things are governed by predictable rules

    5. We are made of stuff, down to the neurons in our brains

    6. Our actions and thoughts are ultimately directly caused by neuronal activity that is (in theory) predictable and governed by laws

    7. Free will and individuality aren’t “real” in the way people typically mean. Our actions are determined entirely by the particles in our system interracting with the constituent parts of other systems.

    My conclusion: this doesn’t matter on a practical level. We still experience free will and individuality. But those things are illusions caused by the interractions of many complex systems.

    • cattywampas@lemmy.world
      51·
      2 months ago

      Sort of but not really. Consciousness is intrinsic to a living brain. So while the basic components that we’re made out of will continue on until the end of the universe, our time as unique individuals and our experience of it will come to an end. Which is a bummer for us, but that’s a natural aversion that all life necessarily shares.

      • kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        My personal philosophy on this is that the forces that shaped me and made me who I am will still exist after I’m gone, so it seems inevitable that some version of me will someday recombobulate by pure chance into some variation of what I represent.

      • PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.spaceEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        Well, there’s a theory that the Big Bang created both our universe which has an excess of matter and is moving forward through time; and, in the same instant, a mirror universe that has an excess of antimatter and is moving backward through time. So there’s a mirror-you who, in a way, lived billions of years before you.
        The next question then is: is this a cyclical event?

        • cattywampas@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 months ago

          Never dies of old age but still can die from trauma, disease, and predation. And like all life it’ll naturally want to avoid those things.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        1·
        2 months ago

        Yeah. I think if we deprioritize individual consciousness then it comes easier to swallow (by the conscious mind…).

        Obviously you shouldn’t deprioritize others’ minds. This is just a personal technique/cope.

        • Elting@piefed.socialEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          You can find your own peace through the death of your ego. I wouldn’t call it coping, but being in touch with reality. We are all just a piece of a cycle, consciousness is but a beautiful gift of circumstance.