That’s not how the disengage rule works. You don’t get to get in your final words and say disengage.
Where do you get confidence to talk down to a trans person like this? Your high and mighty “I’m an ally btw” doesn’t mean shit if this is how you interact with the trans community.
tbf he wasn’t invoking the disengage rule that ends a conversation, he was just using the term as its literal meaning. as in, you can keep replying but I won’t.
idk the context of the conversation just wanted to maybe help clarify a miscommunication
Thank you for the support, for the record. Figures he was a gay guy - I’ve seen this sort of behavior from supposed ally gay men way too many times.
I think being gay and subject to homophobia makes a lot of them forget that they are still capable of being misogynistic and acting in a patriarchal manner, and especially still capable of being transmisogynistic, to put it politely.
Tbh it suddenly made the whole conversation make a lot more sense. I wondered why someone who’s not even trans would feel entitled to be such an authority in an incredibly rude way, but this also checks out with experiences I’ve had with gay men talking over me as well.
I’ve seen this sort of behavior from supposed ally gay men way too many times.
cis gay men are like a half-step away from being straight, as far as societal acceptance goes, but they often act like they’re still a strongly oppressed minority. it’s really disheartening to see some of them playing oppression olympics with other queer people instead of going to bat for us with the straights.
Yeah, it’s really fucking annoying and yet typical. I’ve never really known gay men to act in any other way, honestly.
Might just be because of my age/time spent in the queer community - I would suspect that in many ways younger gay men who have grown up with much much more social acceptance may actually be WORSE about this then ones who are even 10~ years older.
That said from what I’ve read gay men have never treated trans women particularly well, as a trend. Unexamined misogyny and in particular transmisogyny seems to have been an issue even in the worst stages of homophobic oppression. Lesbians have always been much better about that stuff, despite the cultural prominence of TERF lesbians.
I am choosing not to continue this discussion. My interlocutor is free to continue but I won’t. I am not going to report them for breaking a rule, imply they did so, or anything of that sort.
I just don’t want to continue the discussion.
I am also not going to continue the discussion with you. As far as I am concerned the discussion is just over.
I am a gay man who is exclusively interested in men. I have no interest in trans women as romantic partners because I don’t think they are men and they are unlikely to wish to present as men within a relationship with me. A relationship between me and a trans woman would be harmful for her and unsatisfying for me. Some gay men can make a relationship with a trans woman work, but I don’t believe that is me.
I am now also going to disengage from you, since nothing productive can come from this.
Well fair enough then, but you’re still incredibly rude lol.
I’d also like to point out that assuming someone must be a tttt poster probably doesn’t feel good to that poster either!! Maybe don’t jump to that next time
That’s not how the disengage rule works. You don’t get to get in your final words and say disengage.
Where do you get confidence to talk down to a trans person like this? Your high and mighty “I’m an ally btw” doesn’t mean shit if this is how you interact with the trans community.
tbf he wasn’t invoking the disengage rule that ends a conversation, he was just using the term as its literal meaning. as in, you can keep replying but I won’t.
idk the context of the conversation just wanted to maybe help clarify a miscommunication
Either way, he is being an asshole and talking down to a trans person. That is the part of my comment that matters more to me.
Thank you for the support, for the record. Figures he was a gay guy - I’ve seen this sort of behavior from supposed ally gay men way too many times.
I think being gay and subject to homophobia makes a lot of them forget that they are still capable of being misogynistic and acting in a patriarchal manner, and especially still capable of being transmisogynistic, to put it politely.
Tbh it suddenly made the whole conversation make a lot more sense. I wondered why someone who’s not even trans would feel entitled to be such an authority in an incredibly rude way, but this also checks out with experiences I’ve had with gay men talking over me as well.
I wasn’t about to watch you deal with shit alone
The amount of times I’ve had a gay man pull out that condescending ‘we’ when discussing specifically transfem issues is FAR too many, yeah.
Thank you very much!!!
cis gay men are like a half-step away from being straight, as far as societal acceptance goes, but they often act like they’re still a strongly oppressed minority. it’s really disheartening to see some of them playing oppression olympics with other queer people instead of going to bat for us with the straights.
Yeah, it’s really fucking annoying and yet typical. I’ve never really known gay men to act in any other way, honestly.
Might just be because of my age/time spent in the queer community - I would suspect that in many ways younger gay men who have grown up with much much more social acceptance may actually be WORSE about this then ones who are even 10~ years older.
That said from what I’ve read gay men have never treated trans women particularly well, as a trend. Unexamined misogyny and in particular transmisogyny seems to have been an issue even in the worst stages of homophobic oppression. Lesbians have always been much better about that stuff, despite the cultural prominence of TERF lesbians.
I am choosing not to continue this discussion. My interlocutor is free to continue but I won’t. I am not going to report them for breaking a rule, imply they did so, or anything of that sort. I just don’t want to continue the discussion. I am also not going to continue the discussion with you. As far as I am concerned the discussion is just over.
I think the chaser stuff hit a bit too close to home by the way you’re interacting with us tbh.Feel free to continue being rude to transfems though.
I am a gay man who is exclusively interested in men. I have no interest in trans women as romantic partners because I don’t think they are men and they are unlikely to wish to present as men within a relationship with me. A relationship between me and a trans woman would be harmful for her and unsatisfying for me. Some gay men can make a relationship with a trans woman work, but I don’t believe that is me. I am now also going to disengage from you, since nothing productive can come from this.
Well fair enough then, but you’re still incredibly rude lol.
I’d also like to point out that assuming someone must be a tttt poster probably doesn’t feel good to that poster either!! Maybe don’t jump to that next time