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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it’s not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
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Whoa, fuck yeah Linus Torvalds
On top of all of that he used “I couldn’t care less” correctly.
Do people use that incorrectly a lot?
There’s a whole country of them.
I’m just impressed they used ‘couldn’t care less’ correctly.
english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms
Man, fuck english idioms. Will never get over how “that’s shit” = bad but “that’s the shit” = good
Greater brevity: “Holy fuck!” Something bad happened. “Holy fuck!” Something awesome happened.
“bollocks” = bad / nonsense / lies
“the bollocks” = the absolute best you can get
That’s quite the example.
Yes, but sometimes they use them too much.
The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t woke and think that’s like a good thing lol.
It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
To be fair, “woke” as it’s widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to “redpilled”, with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as ‘enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren’t’. It’s “woke” as in alert and aware of the truth, and “redpilled” similarly to how it is in the Matrix—becoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.
So, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:
The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t redpilled and think that’s like a good thing lol. It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
You wouldn’t agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentiment—the only difference is in what the content of said ‘higher truth’ that one who’s woke/redpilled has become ‘enlightened’ to, is.
It’s the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don’t call themselves “anti-abortion”, but “pro-life”. Like the above, it’s a PR move. Would you accept a ‘pro-lifer’ telling you you’re “anti-life” if you oppose their view? That’s the kind of rhetorical maneuver you’re employing in your comment.
My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that “woke” represents—it hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, “it’s crazy people say they’re against healthcare being a human right and think that’s like a good thing lol”, than what I quoted above.
a few problems with this comment:
- woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
- anyone who claims to be woke is instantly not woke. you have to earn being called woke by an oppressed person. you can claim to be conscious to aspects of this system of oppression, but you cannot claim to be woke or conscious without instantly demonstrating yourself to be a performative ally
- your issue is not with whether or not being woke is good, your issue is with whether or not claiming to be woke is good, in which case, see point 2
- conservatives use redpilled wrong just like they use woke wrong. they just generally use any terms of consciousness wrong because fascism is a scam that promises progressive benefits through status quo, an obvious logical fallacy
your issue isn’t with “woke” your issue is with how conservatives use the word woke, literally the point of the OP
woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
Okay, I know when it’s a waste of time to keep reading a comment. This is Advanced Bad Faith, lol.
i’m being for real. and that you deny real history and say real history is “bad faith” is terrifying. you’re being willfully unaware of what’s going on around here and declaring yourself to be superior in knowing what’s going on
Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.
Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.
That was depressing. I knew our president was dumb, but I still didn’t think he could be that dumb.
I struggle to understand how you guys in the US missed the signs. I mean… stuff like “they are eating the dogs” should sparkle some doubts, right?
Still is if you aren’t a twat
Nowadays I prefer the term “correct”.
I honestly don’t see people using “woke” positively these days.
That’s because most of us just call it what it is: empathy.
But they’re trying to make that a pejorative too now.
well… sure yeah. My point still stands about “woke” though.
Not really. It was just another fart sniffer word some groups liked to use.
No reminder needed for me, but for those who might want to do a deep dive:
I wince any time someone says something like “Wake up!”, “Take the red pill!” etc.
It invariably means “Start believing the shite I believe”
The same people also see being “progressive” as a bad thing. I swear, if they had they way, we still be amazed at the sight of fire while living in our caves.
Yeah but have you noticed how despite the fact that they normally hate progress and change because it makes their control harder, they’re utterly obsessed with AI.
This place is obsessed with Ai (LLMs) to be fair.
If you’re not woke your eyes are closed
Or just plain stupid
Just saw the recent south park episode- absolutely killed. Poor Cartman is nothing withoutout the woke 😢
It’s easier too. You don’t gotta constantly be vigilant for the next way the woke industrial complex is trying to indoctrinate you. Because they won.
They go me already. We’re doing unisex bathrooms? Ok then. Eighty new variants of pride flag just dropped yesterday? Well there’s a lot of new colour combos I’ll forget in 30 seconds but alright. Pronouns can be wholly silent, like the P in Pterodactyl? I cannot comprehend how that works but sure it literally will never affect me in a negative way.
You could choose to be neither.
Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn’t obligatory.
That’s a shit argument that casts aside billions of human beings and their rights as such. And your follow-up is even more trolly? Fuck off.
Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you’re not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you…
I guess the idea is that if you’re spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren’t focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.
“MAGAt” works, too, FWIW
what does the small t stand for?
just to lend MAGA the sound of “maggot”
oh. Eh, they didn’t need to change “woke” to make it a bad word, so I just use MAGA as-is derogatorily.
Bonus Points! That li’l “t” can be voiced with just breath alone as a “swallowed” or “glottal” fricative, (like the S. London “innit”, etc.) for added & effortless effect whenever thinking/reading “MAGA” — aloud or to yourself. It works every time.
Every single MAGA idiot = MAGAt. There are many, many kinds, colors, stripes, shapes, sizes, etc. They’re all maggots, though. And they might be known for devouring mountains of shit by the throatful, but they’ll eat you too without hesitation.
Secondly, though? Let’s do us all a favor and not use anything they do as a model of rational, much less good practices, hmm?
“They” didn’t change “woke” because “they” don’t change fuck all. Their minders tell them what to scream & froth over, and their psyops’ flipping of “woke” is to target anything that doesn’t come directly outta their Führder’s prolapsed Putin-holes. Full stop.
Who’ve been the most successful opponents of fascists historically?
And who’ve lost their countries to fascists?
what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i’m sure you’re trying to say something else, it’s just not clear what
Who has historically defeated fascists?
I don’t think that’s a hard question to understand.
woke folk. but you’re out here saying being woke is neither good nor bad. so… what are you saying?
when did woke folk bayt Nazis?
nazi germany doesn’t get overthrown without resistance movements working tirelessly to fight for their rights back. french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who chose to liberate the concentration camps rather than make use of an opportunity to seek independence from moscow were all critical to allied victory in europe in 1945. and as is often the case in history, as soon as that was done, other oppressive forces such as stalin and the liberals of western europe sold out these freedom fighters installing a new world order of oppression. but we’ve continued working to get our liberation. you can discount our historical contributions all you want. it doesn’t change the fact that the world only gets better when people who know the world is fucked work to get it unfucked.
“Choosing to be neither” is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.
👆This👆 is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.
Or, I understand that there’s no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you’re ok with oppression, you’re not a neutral observer, you’re a supporter of oppression.
If you’re ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you’re neutral.
Doesn’t really apply to a flame war tho.
The right know they can’t win the economic argument. Everyone’s purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.
That’s why they push the ‘woke’ stuff and divide the workers. It’s common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this “no neutral! You have to pick a side!” shite?
The anti woke crowd … hear that it is in someway anti racist
And dismiss it . They like their racism… It makes them feel important and powerful
Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.
Yeah seriously I’ll never understand how it’s an insult. Conservatives call having empathy “woke” and I’m like “yes, yes it is woke. Your point?”.
it’s basically everything you need to know about them
Petition to rename Twitter again, to Twatter. I know, I know, my intellect is frightening sometimes. /s
There are people who have not called it Twatter from day one? Huh…
It’s been Xitter (pronounced “Shitter”) since the rebranding
I agree that wokeness is more enlightened than ignorance, but I also wonder how woke it is to scorn the less enlightened so hard.
I’m sure someone is somewhere grappling with that.
Since the politicians they support and voted in are actively dismantling the government, erecting a dictatorship, and enacting policies guaranteed to get people needlessly killed I don’t find myself burdened by such concerns.
The point isn’t to take sides with the sheep, it’s about self-awareness. Recognizing that hating ignorant people is just a different form of ignorance. We’re all burdened by or own ignorance even if we don’t know it.
I don’t hate them for their ignorance. I would actually stop short of saying I hate them at all. But the deep disdain I feel for them is for the hellscape they have dragged all of us into, and which will take decades to fix, if we fix it at all.
So yeah, I’m probably burdened by being ignorant of how that makes me just as bad as they are.
Considering I’ll die of old age still being harmed by what they have empowered and are currently cheering for, and will also die knowing my kids’ lives and the lives of everyone I care about will be worse because of it, I’m ok with that.
Can we really reach MAGA racists with memes like this? Where’s the conversation about actually helping them awaken?
After ten years of maga, and thirty or so years of watching R point in exactly this direction with every conservative policy or position, and every argument I ever had that included being called a “bleeding heart” or worse, I’m just here to wait for us to get it over with already, and then warm my hands on the smoldering wreckage of our nation that remains when Trump is done wrecking it.
Eventually I will die of old age while continuing to give no shits about maga or anything they have brought upon themselves while consigning the rest of us to the dystopian hell hole they cheered and voted for. The nation will still be recovering from Trump though, if we’re lucky.
They’ve wrecked the lives of countless people with their slavish devotion to a candidate who embodies the worst of what US culture has ever had to offer. Some of those people are people I love and care about, but they are all people.
And on top of it all - they still have no objection to where things are headed until it affects them personally.
Fuck every last Trump voter. I’m very happy to let better, less jaded people than I am go the Andrew Johnson route. (not that I think it was a good idea the first time either) I don’t need or want any maga in my life.
Many self described woke people are in fact ignorant fucking twats. One political outlook does not make u not an ignorant twat. You can be both. U can be neither. This is a false dichotomy. And ur attempt to put people in one of 2 boxes without acknowledging any sort of nuance around it clearly indicates the box you fall into.
any person claiming to be woke is instantly not woke because that’s not how the term works
The meaning of the word has changed to mean exactly those people. The right did that and they did it very effectively, and that’s how the silent majority see it.
Waving your hands and saying “woke is not an insult” will not stop it from being used as an insult. But we can counter by using MAGA as an insult.
yup. but it also takes away their power when they’re like “you’re woke!” and you’re like “oh, you really think so? that’s wonderful”
yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it’s probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.
no for sure. it’s a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it’s a good thing to be
