• The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      3 months ago

      what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i’m sure you’re trying to say something else, it’s just not clear what

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          3 months ago

          woke folk. but you’re out here saying being woke is neither good nor bad. so… what are you saying?

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              3 months ago

              nazi germany doesn’t get overthrown without resistance movements working tirelessly to fight for their rights back. french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who chose to liberate the concentration camps rather than make use of an opportunity to seek independence from moscow were all critical to allied victory in europe in 1945. and as is often the case in history, as soon as that was done, other oppressive forces such as stalin and the liberals of western europe sold out these freedom fighters installing a new world order of oppression. but we’ve continued working to get our liberation. you can discount our historical contributions all you want. it doesn’t change the fact that the world only gets better when people who know the world is fucked work to get it unfucked.

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                3 months ago

                french resistance, german resistance, italian anti-fascists, polish resistance, jewish resistance, and ukrainians who…

                Right. Groups totally unrelated to the ‘woke’ thingy people are talking about in this thread e.g. here and here

                It’s not like we’re going to learn anything useful about leftism from the USA. They’ve done nothing but ratchet their country rightward for decades.

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                  underpants weevil has the context for the word wrong and playing to that doesn’t prove your point the way you think it does. woke, as a term, belongs to the Black community, one of the, on the whole, most left leaning demographics out there. the term comes from a group that has been saying for 300 years that oppression anywhere represents oppression everywhere. it’s a anti-colonial, non-national term. people fighting oppression are woke. people fighting on behalf of oppressors are not woke. don’t use a nation’s government as proof there’s no leftist thought going on there, that’s some ignorant divisive thinking that will prevent you from building the kinds of coalition you need to fight oppression. it seems like all of this comes down to that you’ve accepted the conservative rebranding of woke rather than taking the time to understand what it really means and help us reconnotate in order to resist this fascist takeover of language. the powers that be have the power to redenotate words and create newspeak, but we have the power of connotation. don’t give them what they want like what you’re doing