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  • Seems like a fine community to post in, if you consider your self woman-identified. (See sidebar.)

    Obviously, it’s wrong to gatekeep ways people talk. That idiot should shut up – you can talk however you like. But I’ll answer the question you asked – “what the fuck does that even mean?”

    From a linguistic perspective, there is a notion of masculine and feminine speech patterns – that is, phrases or words that are most frequently used by women and phrases that are most frequently used by men. In languages other than English, this is often easy to spot – for instance, in japanese, there are pseudo-gendered first-person pronouns. Similarly, “umai” (tasty) is often considered more masculine than “oishii” (tasty). In English though, it’s much less common. I could think of “honey” or “dear” – e.g. “ohh, honey, no!” or “hello my dear” are rather feminine phrases – in my life, I have mostly heard women use those words in that way, and when men use them they tend to be considered “effeminate.” It’s also apparently more common for men to say “uh” and for women to say “um.”

    There are probably subtle differences in how often various phrases are used by men vs women if you were to carefully make a tally – but honestly why bother. That’s just descriptivism. To say that men and women should speak in different ways is prescriptivist, and just plain wrong. So I wouldn’t worry about the way you speak – if somebody is upset with that, it is that person who is wrong, not you. As someone whose partner is a tomboy/butch woman, I must say I wouldn’t expect her to switch to using more feminine speech patterns.

    If it’s concerning to you anyway, something you can keep in mind is the well-known linguistic phenomenon that new ways of speaking tend to flow from women to men more than vice versa. This is true in every culture studied so far as I know. For instance, it used to be considered an exceptionally feminine thing to say “like” all the time “he was like, …” “that’s so, like, …” but now it’s pretty ubiquitous. So if your speech doesn’t sound feminine today, it might have sounded overtly feminine just 25 years ago.



  • You’ve misunderstood me entirely. This is not merely an argument of semantics. Being talked over is a really bad thing, and yeah, I obviously don’t want that to be a thing that happens more. In contrast, increasing the proportion of men is essentially by definition the thing that I’m asking about in this thread – why aren’t men permitted. This means you’re begging the question: “permitting men would be bad because it would increase the amount of posts by men.” You’re just asserting that’s bad for some reason. I’m really not being pedantic here.

    Anyway, if you’re trying to educate me about basic etiquette, you obviously think I’m arguing in bad faith. So let’s just call it off here.



  • (Sorry for the late response.)

    I actually don’t agree that this is “talking over.” For one thing, this is a tree-structure forum, so on any give root-leaf path, the man is only 50% of the messages (and this is more relevant IMO). For another, I don’t even see what this man is doing wrong. He is politely responding to every response in turn. But ultimately, I just don’t think this really counts as “talking over” – I experience being “talked over” in real life a lot, and it feels like being unable to get a word in. It does not feel like “being able to say as much as I want to, and then get a direct reply,” which is the experience all the women you have described are having.










  • jsomae@lemmy.mltomemes@lemmy.worldBeware the Tech Bro Pipeline
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    9 months ago

    I could be wrong, but I think “tech-bro” as a term isn’t meant to apply to everyone in tech. It’s mean to capture the intersection of tech people and “bros” – the kind of guy who likes football or something.

    Of course that’s just what it’s meant to be; if people use it for all men in tech then yeah it just becomes a sexist and luddite terminology.