• hector@lemmy.today
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      1 year ago

      We have a tradition of representative government and more honest leadership. Trying to get offended on behalf of people that live under despotic governments elsewhere is the reason why everybody hates the politically correct.

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        We have a tradition of representative government and more honest leadership

        no the fuck we don’t lmao

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          No, because I did not see anything wrong and I welcome the app probation of those seeking to get offended on behalf of other people without good cause. Nobody likes those people. The Republicans make a lot of hay out of you people by the way.

          Maybe if you read more history you would realize what I was actually saying.

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            I do realize what you are actually saying and the fact you can’t fathom you are being racist as shit is why we hate fucking liberals.

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              Well it would be governmentist not racist.

              And it is true that I am biased against autocratic governments ruled by despots.

              But do not let me keep you here, don’t you have somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation?

              • describing shit like “an eastern style government” is what outs you as being profoundly 1) ignorant and 2) racist

                like, when the U.S. supported a police dictatorship in South Korea that did literally every awful thing North Korea has been accused of, including but not limited to “killing people for having the wrong haircut” (the anti- queue shit), is that a EASTERN STYLE government, because it’s a dictatorship led by perfidious asiatics? Or is it a WESTERN STYLE government, since it’s literally a puppet of a western government? (hint, it’s the second one nerd)

                like do you even have enough braincells to comprehend what’s fucked up about the fucked up shit you say

                • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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                  This is “I hate the government, not the people” in a new dress. Homie was probably sharing Wuhan Flu memes back in 2020 while saying, “That’s just where it’s from, I’m not being racist!”

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                But do not let me keep you here, don’t you have somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation?

                no, we’re more than happy to spend our time on continuing to correctly identify you as an uneducated and deeply unserious dipshit

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                  I bet you do have nothing better to do.

                  Our republic is being replaced with an eastern style autocracy and you are viciously attacking someone for making that distinction that has been used for centuries.

                  To call it ignorant misses the counter productive nature of it. No one like people stretching any words to impute bigotry, not the least when your great minds find fault with existing language in writings long used without controversy.

                  You are why the right gets play calling things woke. Fox news loves you guys. Do better.

                  • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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                    I bet you do have nothing better to do.

                    Are you doing that reddit brained dipshit thing where you think that every person replying to you is the same person? The only one with a lot of time on their hands here is you because you are the one continuing the conversation. That reply was from 12 hours ago, and 10 hours later you came back for more!

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                    1 year ago

                    Our republic

                    sounds like a you problem, yankkkoid

                    almost every person in the global south is more free than you and has a “freer” form of governance - and if they don’t, it’s probably because your worldwide terrorist empire imposed regime change on them. autocracy is literally your culture.

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            read history

            Remember back in the 1950s when Iran tried to do cultural appropriation of the West by electing a prime minister? Obviously the US had to overthrow them and set up the Shah as a puppet, returning the country to its rightful place as an “Eastern government”.

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        This is a bunch of kindergarten- level mythology about the shining city on a hill that is equal parts laughable and disgusting to anyone who has been paying attention for any length of time.

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          You guys got really upset about saying our western style governments are being turned into Eastern Style governments. I guess you are all pretty emotional aren’t you?

          It is truly an ignorant argument you are making here though, do not let however many half wits voting with your Half Baked assumption here convince you otherwise.

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            You guys got really upset about saying our western style governments are being turned into Eastern Style governments.

            Yeah, decent human beings don’t tend to appreciate Nazi rhetoric.

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            Eastern Style government

            Why are they called “western” and “eastern” style, what immutable characteristic are you assigning to these two groups? Answer without any redditisms for bonus points

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              Western style governments elect their leaders, they have the Free Press, and they are allowed to criticize their leaders and companies. Something that does not and has not ever existed in the East to any large degree.

              They are taking that away from us right now and you are spending your energy attacking me because it’s popular for you. Might be why we are losing. We being those that do not want to live under a supreme leader.

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            Dang that Eastern government of China for having a higher home ownership rate, higher protein intake and lower homeless rate! We’re totally turning into one of those guys!!!

            What a fucking buffoon. “emotionally” we are laughing at you.

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              Well that’s good for you, you will enjoy our new system then! Just watch your social score! The term eastern and western governments is more traditionally used in regards to the liberal democracies of the west, from the Greeks and Romans to the enlightenment era representative governments, as opposed to the all powerful rulers of egypt, the persians, the Ottoman empire, and russia. But don’t let me teach you anything.

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                  You do not realize.or care they are doing the same with palantir now, to be used in secret in biz and gov against us.

                  Since you already accept democracy such as it is still, being replaced with an eastern style autocracy ala russia it should be an easy transition for you, until you cannot pay your bills at least, after they take breakfast and dinner from you and not just lunch.

                  It will give you something to think about during your 6-12 work week, 6 days a week 12 hours a day for starvation wages.

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                    It will give you something to think about during your 6-12 work week, 6 days a week 12 hours a day for starvation wages.

                    Migrants think about providing a better life like this for their family as the U.S intervenes, destroys and annihilates any nascent leftist movement or anti-imperialist movement in Latin America. With over 100 interventions to boot, there’s plenty of migrants to fulfill that role in the governance of the west while a comfortable, captured proletariat and their ruling class suck up the wages and resources from the global south.

                    until you cannot pay your bills at least, after they take breakfast and dinner from you and not just lunch.

                    Well, funny enough, I had that in glorious America. I didn’t have a washing machine, hot water, a microwave or oven, proper housing and grew up inside of a demunincipalized slum. You think I got regular breakfast and dinner? Haha. Sorta, until they cut food stamps and social services further and my family didn’t apply anymore.

                    People in “horrible eastern-style autocracies” had more than me and hundreds of other people in the neighborhood I grew up in. Weird how that works, huh?

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                    It will give you something to think about during your 6-12 work week, 6 days a week 12 hours a day for starvation wages.

                    Dawg we literally have that in the US.

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                Greeks and Romans to the enlightenment era representative governments

                Slave society, slave society, slave society, and the Eastern/Western dichotomy laid out in the centuries-old political literature that you uphold in such high esteem was established by race science-touting imperialists and other chauvinists

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                  You’re not talking about what esteem we hold the government’s in, or they’re assorted ills. We are talking about the structure of government, being representative, or being autocratic. You can say but those representative governments were mean! No shit? That is not what is an issue here. You could discount any event from history with the logic you are trying to use here.

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                    You’re insisting on a separation that doesn’t exist. You want to analyze the “structure” of government, representative vs. autocratic, in a vacuum, divorced from its outcomes and the material conditions it creates.

                    But a structure that consistently produces “assorted ills”, genocide, exploitation, and vast inequality, is not a neutral, well-functioning machine. It is a failed structure. You dismiss these outcomes as “mean,” but they are the direct result of the system you defend.

                    Your “representative” model is not some pure form. It is a structure that has always depended on external exploitation, slavery, colonialism, and imperial extraction, to function for its citizens. The “freedom” of the West was built on the enforced servitude of the Global South.

                    Meanwhile, you label systems you don’t understand as “autocratic” while ignoring their material successes: ending famine, providing housing, and lifting billions from poverty, outcomes your “representative” system has failed to deliver for its own poor.

                    The structure is not separate from its results. The results are the proof of the structure’s failure. You’re defending a blueprint for a house that consistently collapses, while attacking other blueprints because you don’t like the architect’s title. Judge the house by who it shelters, not by the label on the door.

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            Eastern Style governments

            I can’t tell you enough how much saying this phrase is like extreme repellent to any woman who isn’t white. Like this is cartoonishly racist and nasty.

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              You do realize this is terminology used in books for hundreds of years including our modern era, terminology nobody has taken issue with until you guys here right now. The auxiliary PC Brigade. You guys are the reason the right calls everybody woke and people support their bullshit.

              It would be governmentist, bigoted against eastern style autocracies in favor of representative government, which as your group does not know what that means, it means electing leaders, having a free press, and being able to criticize people like your leaders and so forth. Eastern Style governments for thousands of years have referred to everything from Egypt to the Ottoman Empire to the Persians, a single all-powerful ruler.

              But it is good for your own mental health that you do not support representative government because it is now being taken away from you, and you are going to criticize anybody that mentions it apparently. Nice contribution.

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                  Says the person with your username. Ha ha ha. Ok pal. Such a brave PC Warrior, how dare somebody reference the difference between Western representative governments and Eastern autocracies! It can’t be allowed. Luckily they are turning us into an Eastern style autocracy so enjoy! No don’t bother trying to help stop it, take any excuse you can to try to get the offended on behalf of other people to get your outrage boner off. Like I said, everybody hates the overly PC. Everybody.

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          We are talking about the structure of government not the sum of the sins of the countries.

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            The purpose of a system is what it does. You can say it’s freedom and democracy all you want but all I’ve seen out of it is genocide, human trafficking, and money laundering regardless of which of your capitalist parties is in charge.