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As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
100%
That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
Nah organized religon is actually evil
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actually dangerous white supremacist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
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The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that’s certainly a choice
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
They’re probably going for how the religion is not what it’s supposed to be.
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise ‘lesser’ than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the “culture” of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.
ETA: I am not a humanist, because I believe that there is a point at which violence is necessary and justified to protect other lives and the rights thereof.
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
TBF I think it’d be risky to use legit examples for that panel
TERFs maybe?
Or the “all men are rapists” crowd, one of the two tbh.
Every woman I know has experienced at least sexual harrasment. Most have experienced SA or rape. Even if a man hasn’t done it, he will probably stick by his shitty mates who do or will still stay friends with them because awkwardness and bravery is harder for them than silent compliance.
If its “not all men” then it is certainly all women.
I’m picking that bear over you.
I’m sorry you have a hard life.
That’s just womanhood
The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists. They have lost control of the word.
Most feminists just don’t call themselves feminists anymore because doing so makes you very likely to get harassed
I prefer to call myself egalitarian
Well they’re not really the same thing, feminism is a social movement with the goal with furthering equality. Egalitarianism just means you think everyone’s equal, doesn’t mean you actually care enough to make that a reality.
I disagree and as far as I can tell, so does Wikipedia.
Then you failed to read what I wrote
You implied that an egalitarian person doesn’t have the goal of furthering equality, did you not?
The Wikipedia article on egalitarianism says:
By promoting equal opportunities, egalitarianism aims to level the playing field and reduce disparities that result from social inequalities.
and
Egalitarian doctrines have supported many modern social movements, including the Enlightenment, feminism, civil rights, and international human rights.
Do you not feel that what you claim and what Wikipedia says are in conflict? At any rate, what I mean by being egalitarian is also to work toward achieving an egalitarian society, and in practice I do work toward that goal.
And the “keep calm and hate god” was clearly created by a theist, not an atheist
Good point. Why would an atheist hate something which doesn’t exist. The whole meme is bad.
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don’t think exists?
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
