Well all I can say was that was my experience with what I used to have. Tasted awful, more powerful than coffee, no jitteriness.

100% serious here: I have had mate de coca, or tea made from the coca leaf. There used to be a place that would ship it to the U.S. without asking questions, but it doesn’t exist anymore. It basically takes a field’s worth of coca to make an ounce of cocaine, so this is a tiny fraction of the strength of cocaine. It tasted pretty awful- like damp straw smells- but with enough sweetener, it was acceptable.

It makes you much more awake and alert than coffee with no jittery feeling and it’s totally gone after maybe 4 hours. You can have mate de coca when you get up, do a few hours’ worth of work and then take a nap and sleep like you’d never had anything to stimulate you. It’s pretty damn amazing and it’s stupid that it’s illegal.

I’m guessing they have ways to do things in South America about the taste.

Edit: Also, I was telling this to my wife’s cousin, who is also my GP, and he was telling me that he would get it when he went down to do charity work in El Salvador all the time and agreed it should be totally legal in the U.S. He’s a cool guy.

We like you too.

I will bear in mind from now on that you’re a troll who harasses people and you better hope for your sake you don’t pull this shit with anyone in any of the communities I moderate.

I sincerely hope you get the help you obviously need.

Sorry… are you trying to insult me by saying I eat the same thing literally billions of other people eat? What ails you?

Yep. Evading. Especially when the largest pandemic in history, the black death, was bacterial (yes, yes, not caused by food).

But go ahead and believe that all of the communicable diseases I listed above, many of which can become airborne and transmissible from human to human, are not a problem related to raw milk that can easily be avoided with a 1000-year-old technique.

I don’t think anything more productive can come out of this discussion now that you’re just basically trolling.

Are you now arguing that raw milk is safe and pasteurization is unnecessary because the only incredibly dangerous and infectious diseases that are spread by raw milk are bacterial or are you just trying to deflect? Because I’m thinking it’s the latter. I’m thinking you know how deadly and dangerous many of those diseases are and how they can easily spread from person to person.

Although admittedly, I could have misjudged you this entire time, thinking you were an intelligent and rational person, when in fact you are supremely ignorant. But I don’t think that is the case, I think you’re just evading.

I guess your answer is that no one without allergies has died from eating beans and rather than own up to the silly thing you said, you decided to troll.

The thing I don’t understand is why you thought that wasn’t so blatantly transparent of you or why you think that doesn’t make you look anything but foolish. But you do you.

And then again what is your conclusion?

Pasteurization. The Chinese started doing it 1000 years ago, so I’m not sure why you aren’t aware of it.

As for the “some reason” why I dislike raw milk:

Milk is an excellent medium for microbial growth,[18] and when it is stored at ambient temperature, bacteria and other pathogens soon proliferate.[19] The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) says improperly handled raw milk is responsible for nearly three times more hospitalizations than any other food-borne disease source, making it one of the world’s most dangerous food products.[20][21] Diseases prevented by pasteurization can include tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever; it also kills the harmful bacteria Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli O157:H7,[22][23] among others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization

But do explain why such outbreaks should be risked for the sake of someone having a kind of milk they prefer the taste of.

Who, other than people with allergies, has died from eating beans? Because as far as I know, cooked beans do not transmit dangerous pathogens. Raw milk can.

Again, I’m not sure why this is even comparable.

Because they’re a lot less likely to kill me than raw milk is. Why is this even a question? People have literally died from pathogens they caught from drinking raw milk.

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/07/owner-of-raw-milk-creamery-behind-fatal-outbreak-sentenced-to-probation/

You generally cook beans before you eat them. Guess what pasteurization essentially does?

That’s not how viruses work. They evolve. They can become airborne. How are you not aware of this? It’s literally what happened with COVID.

A source that it’s possible? You really need a source that something carrying viruses can be a transmission vector if it jumps to humans? Because I think you need to take a basic virology course in that case.

People who study viruses for a living seem to think it’s possible, but I guess as long as you doubt it, no problem.

Last I checked, food other than milk exists.

Why are you getting your vitamins from milk?

The amazingly innovative 1930s science fiction author Olaf Stapledon has an invasion from Mars in his epic history of the future of humanity and its various evolutionary stages, Last and First Men. The Martians are a gaseous life form that can come together to sort of form a jellylike mass. They originally think radio signals are Earth’s dominant form of life and everything else is their livestock. That feels much more believable to me in terms of how we would relate to each other.