My doodle this week. I trace from cute pictures I see on the internet.
I rushed to dig through my old high school art class work and found this:
Love it!
that do be a nice doodle
Can we just cut the back and forth and accept AI as another tool and let soulless AI content die off naturally. No one listens to music that’s all autotune after we decided that it was shit. The same will be said for AI.
Some people need something to rage and virtue signal against. Those who work in private STEM sectors or took machine learning classes years before the LLM craze already understand the tool is here and are willing to learn to work with it if applicable in their job or daily life.
Those who don’t understand anything about the science of machine learning and are angry at the how megacorporations got away with unconsentually scraping their copyright infringed data off the internet for the first iterations of training data still get to let off some steam by calling it ‘hyped autocomplete just as bad as NFTs that will never do what a person can’.
If I were an artsy type whos first exposure to ML was having my work stolen followed by the thief bragging to my face about how copy protection laws dont matter to the powerful and now they can basically copy my honed style 1 to 1 with a computer to sell as an product, I would be unreasonably pissed too and not interested this whole 'AI’thing. Megacorps made chatGPT and stable diffusion using my work therefore AI bad. I get it.
That said, I’m not an artsy type or an idealist. I’m a practical engineer who builds systems to process the flows of information and energy with the tools available at my dispersal. Theres more to machine learning than proprietary models made with stolen information to be sold to th masses. Instead models are just the next new way to process large datasets full of complicated information. Its just that now were taking cues from natures biological information processing systems. Whether such processes prove more certain and effective to the old analog and digital ways have yet to be seen. Perhaps using these new tools will open up entirely different ways of treating information for all of society. Perhaps it will be just another niche thing for researchers to write papers about. Time will tell.
I will see ai as a tool when it behaves like a tool to help human creativity and not syphon it to make derivative trash; AI has potential but current applications are very dependent on training and mimicking content that was already made. Why waste my life viewing that with so many great artists and writers out there?
It does behave like a tool. Just like every other tool it can be used improperly.
bullshit! By the way who is your favorite AI artist? tell me something good about their work?
I don’t know any AI artists. Me i gues… I generated a coupled… they sucked… but I like the guy anyway.
Places i would deploy AI:
-Foggy background scenes
-Random textures
-custom shadin
I could go on but I’m not a professional artist so there could be already great tools for those use cases. I’m sure I could find a use if I spent more time in the space.
I think that if you can’t make the art without relying on AI then it isn’t art.
I can’t design a Minecraft house (art) without having access to Minecraft
I value your discussion on this topic, even if I disagree, but this specific point isnt very good imoMinecraft doesn’t replace the mental processes involved in making the art though
I used to play Minecraft and watch movies at the same time because neither required much mental processes, what did M$ do to MC?!
awesome
Thats my finest AI slop.
Dangerously based.
fr? 😂
fr?😡
Yeah, even passes detection.
This is the only one that detected it 100%, every other one thought it was real.
As you wish
The line work on this is very expressive.
You are clearly a connoisseur
Yes. I am. Let me share my credentials to make sure my audience understands my credibility:
- 6 years in art school
- 12 years as middle school teacher I could go on, but I don’t think that’s enough to make my case.
Thank you for reading my post.
Probably an unpopular take, but I think it’s got its uses. My artistic skills is not too great, and I don’t want to spend the time to get better or pay someone to draw a banner or icon for a Lemmy community or D&D character, for example, because it’s not that important to me. I’m cool if an AI can get kinda close to what I want and it’s nothing I consider to be load-bearing. To be clear, I mostly use it as something to fill up the blank spaces.
Also, I’ve seen AI art really nail some things. It’s probably one in every 500 images I’ve seen, but it actually does knock it out of the park once in a while. It can also be a fucking hilarious toy if you’re bored. I gave Dall-e a picture of my wife and her sisters and asked it to give me an upscaled version of the picture and it basically drew them as the canker sisters. Good times.
Also, I’ve seen AI art really nail some things. It’s probably one in every 500 images I’ve seen, but it actually does knock it out of the park once in a while
yeah, probably because the person that generated that image actually took time to write a detailed prompt, used appropriate settings on good hardware, generated many images, and maybe even fed it some composition images to base the generated image off, instead of just typing in “shark motorbike”
Randomly made this when clearing a pen’s nib on a post-it
this is some really good shitty half-assed doodle
what an esteemed little guy :)
Somewhat related: Has anyone else gotten the fountain pen version of this? I’ve tried three of them over the years hoping for a functional refillable pen, but they’ve all stopped flowing or never worked at all.
You’d think they would fix the design eventually, but alas?
Everyone is welcome to do just that in !sillydrawingrequests@sopuli.xyz :)
- There is no “AI”.
- There’s nothing inherently wrong or bad with generated art. The assumption that generated art is “slop” is literally the inverted assumption that “AI” will save us. But in reality there’s lots of cool pictures and many cool videos that were generated.
- If you’re mad about copyright/exploitation, the actual problem has always been capitalism.
Sharing AI art has the same vibe as telling people about your dreams.
Some dreams are wild tho
Even worse.
It’s like someone describing a tv show you don’t care about in painful detail, only without the enthusiasm.
Absolutely! I want to see art and human expression and not corporate generated productivity outputs.
Here’s my shitty drawing of something AI can’t draw
Time to move the goal posts again:
My career as an artist is in shambles
I’ll be pedantic and point out that only a robot would fill a glass of wine to the brim. Asides from that it looks legit, though I wonder how well it would handle generating a glass of wine that is being held out drank from…
That’s actually pretty good depiction of a chunk of roast beef with a revolving rotor attached to it and flying upwards.
Depends on the artist. Shitty at drawing but got skills on the comp? Ill take the art you used AI for.
Plenty of AI slop out there sure, but there is also plenty of drawn/painted/sculpted/whatever slop out there as well.
Hating on new tools is some dumb shit.
Hating on new tools is some dumb shit.
The algorithms are beautiful, revolutionary, a true achievement of humanity.
The way the corporations have used those algorithms is unethical, inartistic, a true embarrassment of humanity.
The way the corporations have used…
This is true of everything under capitalism. And it doesn’t mean the art is slop.
For example our phones are made by slave labor but nobody is posting memes about how all phones are slop. Maybe they should do. It would be a better cause than crying about generated art.
I’m not sure I’m convinced by your argument. It seems to boil down to:
- Thing A is bad.
- Thing B is also bad, but you didn’t say anything about that.
- Therefore thing A is not bad.
To me, it’s more that I get a glimpse of the human behind the art, even or especially if they’re shitty at drawing. That’s why I also like memes which are thrown together haphazardly. If it’s pixel-perfect imagery, I don’t see much from that at all.
It’s less a tool and more a short cut. and short cuts are a disservice to the artest and the art appreciater.
Ok yeah. That’s what they said about the hammer. It’s a disservice to the fine artisans using rocks.
… No, they didn’t.
Yes they did. And all of this is the same as what was said about photography and the invention of the camera and its utilization as art.
Photography is art. Film is art. Digital media is art. CGI is art. AI art is art.
You may not like it. But most people didn’t like those other new forms at first either. And they stopped being afraid of change and new things and learned to love it. The same will occur here. It is inevitable and impossible to oppose or resist
This is progress. And it will continue to accelerate regardless of whether or not you approve of it
One of those things is not like the others. AI “art” is just feeding an AI a prompt until it spits out something you like. Some people may do a touch up to hide the hallucinations, but they aren’t actually creating the image.
evenly lit, ink smudged weird, camera somehow perfectly on top without occluding any light
may snakes bite your balls and all your milk turn sour
do it again but stare at grass for a few hours
Edit: Also i drew “your” guy pregnant
Gave it a fat ass too
You know, at this point part of the fun of using AI art is pissing off the holier-than-thou luddites.
Just like part of the fun of voting Trump is pissing off the holier-than-thou liberals
Oh yeah, using an image generator is totally the same as voting for the literal fascist that’s putting people in concentration camps. That’s very comparable.
Both fill the world with shit.
Voting for Nazis doesn’t make art more accessible to people with disabilities.
Well if they’re looking at generated art, then they deserve the gas chamber… \s
Luddites would be attacking the capitalism that’s exploiting us all, that coerces artists in serving capital, etc.
These people just think all generated art is bad because it doesn’t have a “soul” or whatever. They’re literally preferring napkins and poop on the walls.
I think you’ll find that those of us hating on “AI” “”“art”“” mostly are pretty outspoken anticapitalists.
And I get how people talking about how it’s all “soulless” slop (it is) can make that objection seem completely metaphysical and disconnected from material reality, but fundamentally that point is about how art is an expression of the subjective self, something that machines are not.
When a human creates art, every line drawn, every brush stroke and every pixel placed is a choice that says something about the artist, but all that gets abstracted and automated away when the only artistic intent is input as a set of brief verbal instructions.
Fuck it, the reason all this AI bullshit is getting pushed so hard mainly by fascist tech capitalists is precisely because that kind of abstraction of intent functions chiefly to alienate workers from the means of production. GenAI is, in that regard, fundamentally pro-capitalist.
“I judge art on the basis of how it was made, not on its merit in terms of the emotions and thoughts it elicits from me”
(You can take this as agreeing or disagreeing with you, or both)
“I find the ethics involved in the creation of something to be irrelevant.”
Never heard anyone arguing over the ethics of the mining of lapis lazuli, and i think slavery and human misery trump plagerism.
So if ethics define art then DaVinci, Michelangelo, etc are not artists
Lapis lazuli? Maybe not, but lithium mines are a constant source of criticism for those reasons, and your simplification of the world to an either or scenario is incredibly disingenuous.
If you think that people like Da Vinci and Michaelangelo had nothing to say, then you know nothing about artists. Da Vinci hated the Pope who commissioned the Sistine Chapel so much that he painted him burning in Hell directly behind the altar. He was a gay man who had relationships with his apprentices and performed illegal autopsies on bodies to study the human anatomy during a time when it was considered descecrating the dead, which formed the foundation of modern medicine’s understanding of the human body.
You’re just making excuses so you feel better about stealing the labor of others.
No one is making excuses, I’m just pointing out the hipocrisy of saying that the art is less valid because of the tools used.
And yes, I believe a person who has an artistic idea but not the skills to represent it should be able to do it though AI, just writing a prompt doesn’t make it art just like drawing a sunflower very realistically doesn’t make it art. Is music less art because it’s made with a synth or in Ableton?
No one is making excuses, I’m just pointing out the hipocrisy of saying that the art is less valid because of the tools used.
Good thing that’s not something I said, then. So what you’re doing is arguing a point that nobody said in order to reframe the actual argument into something different. Making excuses to avoid confronting the actual argument.
And yes, I believe a person who has an artistic idea but not the skills to represent it should be able to do it though AI
So do I. But if you’re doing that with an LLM made by a company that’s using unethically sourced training data to avoid paying the artists who made the art used for training, then you’re buying into a system that exploits workers for your own convenience and that makes the art bad. AI slop isn’t just slop because of the quality. It’s also because it’s wage theft. People respect the shitty napkin drawing more because, regardless of the quality, it shows that you were willing to put in the effort without the fancy tools while also not committing a corporation in the process.
you’re buying into a system that exploits workers for your own convenience
The electronic device you used to make this post was also made by exploiting wage laborers for the benefit of capitalists. Yet, you found that device to be so convenient that you still bought and used it anyway. The same could be said for all of the other goods and services that you use.
Perhaps you should remove the beam from your eye before pointing out the splinter in anothers
Said electronic device is a requirement to hold a job in my country and ensure I don’t end up homeless. It’s the same as owning a car here. If you have neither a phone or a reliable form of transport (meaning a car in this public transit-less shithole of a country), getting and holding a job is incredibly difficult.
This is one of the reasons that the UN has considered access to the internet a basic human right as of the 2000s or so.
Owning a phone and using the orphan crushing machine to make funny pictures on the internet are not equal.
It’s called capitalism. There are no ethics in how anything is ever created. If you’re mad about people being exploited, then fight capitalism.
But poeple just sound corny hating on every work of generated art. It’s very possible to make nice pictures and videos with a computer.
No ethical consumption under capitalism doesn’t apply to “luxury” goods like art and entertainment. That’s like arguing that it’s okay for people to still use Reddit and Twitter after all the stuff from the past few years because “no ethical consumption under capitalism.” This isn’t Amazon or Wal-Mart killing off local businesses so that they’re the only place you can find stuff that we’re talking about. This is not reading Harry Potter or buying merch because JK Rowling is a TERF. It’s super easy to avoid companies like that, I do it all the time. I stopped using streaming services (and TV before that), and there’s easily a dozen video game companies that I refuse to buy from due to the way they treat their employees and customers. And protect sexual assault. Let’s not forget that Ubisoft and Blizzard both are guilty of that.
This isn’t about people making art with digital tools. I do that all the time, and AI gen can easily be a super cool tool for that. Except for the whole stolen labor part of it and people using it to do a corporation while using excuses like “no ethical consumption” to absolve themselves of stealing the skills and work of artists.
Creating art is considered a useless skill looked upon with contempt by society, yet the product is highly coveted, and AI is being used by people who want the reward but don’t want to put in the effort and don’t want to pay those who can put in the effort fair compensation for their work. It’s merely another step in the long road of devaluing artists.
No ethical consumption under capitalism doesn’t apply to “luxury” goods like art and entertainment.
Do those “luxury” goods exist under a different economic system than capitalism? If not, then this argument makes no sense.
Idiot: “AI” will save us all!
Genius: “AI” is complete slop!!
\s
To be fair, “AI will save us” is a take that is incredibly stupid.
This, but unironically.
Is it not possible that how something is made also elicits emotions and thoughts?
Sure but I don’t think it should be the line between garbage and good. It can add value and push the overall piece, but that isn’t what the person is implying.
There are probably some really fine paper napkin art out there, and having it on a paper napkin most likely adds to it overall, but it’s different then saying all paper napkin pieces have more value then all generated images.
Some of us value authenticity. Plagiarism-powered hallucination engines have exactly none of that. The disturbed individual (or individuals) that painted the bathroom of my primary school with feces created something more artful than any AI slop could ever be.
“Authenticity” is a myth. Everything is “plagarized”. There’s no major difference between someone creating art with a computer or with a paint bush.
The disturbed individual (or individuals) that painted the bathroom of my primary school with feces created something more artful than any AI slop could ever be.
Ok weirdo. Enjoy your literal poop!
There’s no major difference between someone creating art with a computer or with a paint bush.
Good thing that this isn’t what the argument has ever been about, then. This is the exact same tactic that “pro-lifers” use to reframe the argument about abortion and women’s rights.
It’s always been about the fact that the people who create the art used to train the AI aren’t compensated for their work. The criticisms of the objective quality of Gen AI have always been about how people support the orphan crushing machine for such low quality garbage, and the OP isn’t even about that.
Imagine if the Yankees started using a modified howitzer and fired their pitchers, and somebody said that they’d rather watch 8 year old kids play baseball than a game with the Yankees. That’s what OP is talking about. AI bros and people like you would be arguing that the howitzer is the same as any other pitcher and that they just hate change.
