I’m not sure, but I think it makes it very unlikely he’ll become president.
Only time will tell.
I’m actually pretty dang hopeful right now. The right has spent so much time and effort focused around Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.
Now we have a new candidate starting from zero with many people, vs trump which is obviously very well known. In short I’m trying to say we have the element of surprise, the benefit of the unknown. They have to convince moderates that this new candidate is still somehow worse than trump, and these aren’t the hard right people, these are the undecided (somehow) and centered voters.
Far right voters will always back trump, but the indecisive voters and moderate Republicans who don’t like trump but fell for the years of propaganda against Biden have been wanting anyone who is better than Biden but not trump. Same with more centered Democrats, not that they wanted to vote for trump but Biden was not a great candidate for them either.
The rights whole plan was “Joe is so much worse than trump!” and they had 16 years of content to pull on. They can’t do that again with a new candidate. People say they handed the election to Republicans. I think it’s the opposite. I think Republicans demanding Joe drop out when anti Joe was their only message may have just accidentally handed the election to Democrats.
If the Dems come out strong on this I think it could shake up the whole election. I see people online saying doom and gloom, I strongly disagree, I think this is a huge rallying cry.
Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.
Nope. Now it’s trump who’s old and tired. Kamala needs to go after trump and his crime family like she would other criminals and prosecute them in the press. She is a former prosecutor, after all.
I was very against Biden dropping out, but i think this is a pretty good point. I think it is still very risky for her to run due to race and sex discrimination, but it might not be a predetermined loss at least.
I think that’s the invigorating thing as a Democrat. I was feeling beat down and tired, we knew what the outcome was more or less, a razer thin margin on either side. This completely changes that equation, and it means both sides will have to really amp up their game. Democrats just proved they’re willing to throw the hail Mary and that makes me really excited!
… Now it’s trump who’s old and tired …
So it’s his turn to drop out of the race?
Honestly yes, not that the hard right will see that, but yes she has the huge opportunity to say something like “it’s time we put power in the hands of people who will see the effects of it” so to speak. If she used rhetoric similar to that it could be impactful for getting young people to actually vote like they did for Obama
Biden has an opportunity to make speech saying something like, “I’ve decided I am too old for the job, as anybody over 70 should be. It is time for the oldest generation to step aside for their children and grandchildren. It is they who know what the world needs, because they are the ones who will live in that world. The younger generations should no longer elect anyone who is out of touch with their needs.”
That’s what he should do, now let’s get back to reality, that’s never going to happen. That would require the geriatric fucks who put us into this godforsaken mess in the first place to admit that they just might have been, wrong and to give up their power to someone new. They’d rather die and leave the country in turmoil than do what’s right. And it’s across all three branches of government, it’s not anything exclusive to the Congress critters. Just look at how we got our current Republican controlled SCOTUS. These fuckers aren’t going to leave on their own, they need to be forced out.
Regime is gonna regime this
There is practical way to affect any of this. We can chose trump or Harris and neither of then is going to be anything of sorts.
Can’t even get annual or maternity leave. Shit ain’t even on the agenda lol
Yeah, all their shooting against Biden will now come back to haunt them. It’s not like Trump isn’t a senile old man. He’s just senile in different ways.
I agree completely. I think the strong move for Harris will be to focus her campaign around abortion rights and promise to fight for federal laws guaranteeing the right to an abortion, even to the point of openly defying the Supreme Court if they reject the law. She also needs to focus on court reform, push for a strict code of conduct to be enforced against the supreme court, and either impeach/replace Alito and Thomas or (if there aren’t enough votes for that) eliminate the fillibuster to pack the courts with only a simple Senate majority.
I am hesitant about is right now the best time for a black woman president, are the people ready for it, but the way you framed it put it well. A strong eloquent black woman who is ready to put women’s rights at the forefront where her opponent is actively trying to take away those rights may work extremely well.
Now is the time for anyone that’s not going to directly try and undermine our Representative Democracy and work to replace it with an Authoritarian Dictatorship. Trump has literally said he wants to be a dictator on day one, and we know the Republican Project 2025 plan. I don’t give a shit if that means we’re voting for a random dude in an Easter Bunny outfit, I’ll suck it up and vote for a furry if it means we don’t go down that path.
Maybe now’s the best time to mix things up. This could be the last election before the fall of the democracy, why not go all out? I’m actually really excited for this move, and despite a little uncertainty at first I’m fully onboard.
That’s how I feel! They’re throwing the hail Mary right now, but damn if I haven’t seen Democrats this excited since Obama
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Well said man. Totally agree.
I’m a LAW AND ORDER REPUBLICAN and I’m going to vote for the CONVICTED FELON over the COP!
Seems good, man. Basically that makes the election:
Decision 2024: Cop vs Felon
Who will America choose?
Yeah I don’t think DNC leadership appreciates the current public sentiment against law enforcement in the country. Based on her career, her would be base are the moutb breezers simping for trump
For any self respecting liberal, you just have to ignore her job. There is no good way to spin it besides, she knows how to run a shop of prosecutors lol never, just don’t fucking mention it.
Bizarro fucking time line tho jfc
I know we sometimes feel like the majority here on the fediverse, but we have to remember that most democrats don’t feel the same way about cops that the “far” left does. Most democrats are just capitalist liberals that enjoy the status quo and maybe some slightly progressive policies.
Ehh good point… Although I think it is also generational. Boomer Democrats still pretend like they didn’t know what redlining was while living in redlined communities lol
So yeah that guy will vote
I have a quick question as someone not from the US. What is the general opinion that people have of Kamala Harris? Do people voting Democrat have an overall positive impression of her? Or are there people who could be disappointed with the choice?
I have heard literally 0 news about her for this entire presidency. She’s probably fine. Definitely better than Trump, so, ya know. Voting time
From the US and I pay a lot of attention to politics.
Her past is she was a bulldog in the courtroom, absolutely a firebrand and ready to take on anyone. By making her VP, her job was mostly to not make the administration look bad, which is a tough job for a firebrand so for years it felt like she was put in the back and kept quiet.
Roe v Wade decision happened, making the abortion argument on the side of the Republicans getting what they wanted, Biden is a Catholic and male so completely uncomfortable using the fact that abortion is the winning ticket item for the Dems so Harris has been beating that drum hard and getting out. GRANTED the media has been focusing on “Biden too old!” (Legit had to learn a Biden policy from BBC because American news isn’t going to talk about that) so she’s still feeling a relative unknown to the country at large.
There are people calling for wanting the DNC to do a vote, but we’re past that marker, there’s people disappointed, and then there’s a lot of people excited. Right now this election is going to shape up to be more “interesting” than Bush v Gore or Trump v Hillary.
Politically? The general public sees Kamala Harris as a nothingburger. She’s practically a blank slate despite spending the last four years as VP. Nobody’s going to be disappointed because the average person only knows her as a background character.
It’s the best option the Dems have got, but we’ll see how much they want to win when they announce the VP candidate nomination.
I’d say largely neutral. Progressives don’t love her because she was a prosecutor. She has a bit of a reputation for opportunism and lacks charisma but pretty standard democrat overall.
She’s generally average from what I’ve heard amongst my friends. Not a slam dunk but not stumbling over herself. I think she’ll really have to prove herself and release a strong platform to sway any voters. The good news is that a decent number of people are going to vote for her just because she’s not Trump.
I suspect the real problem for some Americans will be a woman as president…which is just about how screwed America is right now.
Pretty notably she doesn’t have any big skeletons in her closet (that I know of at least) that Republicans can latch on to and create drama over.
but - from what I’ve heard while there is a vocal minority of women who are happy about roe being overturned, the vast vast majority of women are not happy about it. For a lot of women born after Roe, for example, it was a given that they had the right to get an abortion, and people took it away from them. I was worried about a woman being nominated - but honestly it might be the perfect time to nominate a woman.
On one side you have a bunch of old white men literally taking away women’s rights. On the other side you have an actual strong woman who wants to codify those rights into law.
Every election with abortion rights on the ballot has gone to democrats since the roe repeal if I’m not mistaken
I actually did not know that. I think them finishing off Roe was one of the worst things from a strategy standpoint the GOP could have done. They could have done nothing and had people voting for them for that for years. By doing something all they did was lose one of their best campaign talking points and piss off a lot of people who wanted Roe. I hope it continues to backfire on them.
Not an American, but wasn’t the school duty kind of a big deal?
I’m in Trump country so I am relaying their opinions not my own. “Whore who slept her way to the top”, “lier that is letting the border crisis happen”, " hypocritic that ruined young peoples lives over pot even though she smoked it too".
Otherwise nothing burger, and besides the border debate all of the personal attacks are honestly minor compared to how Trump supporter view Trump out here (you know “he’s not a good man but …”).
All there is left to do is to fucken send it. Talk to every democrat you know and make sure they know when and how they will vote on voting day and commit to it. Hit up all your younger friends (who might forgor 💀) get that young vote out there cause the older of us most likely know what we are doing already.
As Trump has proven, people will vote for an unqualified person so you really just need a warm body.
No one will be able to tell you. But it SHOULD change nothing regarding to what to vote for. You either vote against Trump / fascism / climate collapse, or you support those things either by vote or inaction.
Yes, yes. Thank you.
We know the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” crowd was always going to vote for the blue candidate. That’s a given, and beating the dead horse is just preaching to the choir.
What’s important is that now the Dems have a chance, and the DNC has a precious few days with which to change the future.
It’s not about voting blue no matter who, it’s about preventing Trump. If you think that’s beating the dead horse then you clearly still not understand the threat, the things that are at stake here, the implication his presidency has for the future of all of us.
Nobody really knows. The situation is somewhat unprecedented.
If you’re asking for personal opinions: this was absolutely a catch-22. But I do think that it’s probably a good move in the pragmatic context of “find a way to beat the fascists”. I also think it’s hilighting some glaring flaws in our primary system that I hope will be fixed, but I don’t honestly expect to be.
I think he will don pipe and slippers and spend his remaining time with his family. It’s the right thing to do.
I’d love to say it will change the likely outcome, but I’m pretty sure no candidate has ever been subbed in this late in the race and gone on to win. History says people prefer a known quantity. Even if Harris is the new candidate, people don’t pay attention to VPs, so she is kind of an unknown quantity to your average voter. AFAIK she hasn’t participated in any “proper” debates with Trump
On the other hand, assuming it is Harris, the right’s attacks on her are likely to be a lot more openly bigoted, which will lead to less people wanting to vote Republican. The Republicans tend to do better when the criticisms of their opponents are based on something legitimately concerning, like Biden’s age. We are about to see some incredibly disgusting rhetoric from republicans, and it’s liable to make them less popular. Much as I dislike all establishment neoliberal democrats, I have to say I feel sorry for Harris for what she is about to endure if she becomes the nominee. The right has gotten a lot more bold in their willingness to take the mask off since Obama was president, so if you thought the shit he had to wade through was bad, it’s nothing compared to what they will fling at Harris.
The biggest thing at this point is that it’s way too late to have a primary, so whoever is selected, they will be subjected to the very legitimate criticism that they were simply appointed as the nominee by the DNC. That would have basically been true even if there was a primary, but at the very least the primaries create the illusion of a democratic process. People aren’t going to be psyched to vote for Biden’s last minute substitute.
People aren’t going to be psyched to vote for Biden’s last minute substitute.
I sure am. Considering the filthy alternative.
the right’s attacks on her are likely to be a lot more openly bigoted
They’re already dusting off the ole Obama birther playbook and asking if she’s qualified to be President due to citizenship.
Actually the presidential candidate was selected on the day of the convention up until around 1970. They had conventions that would last days, they would lock the doors until a candidate was picked. Then ideally everyone stacked behind the final candidate.
I’m pretty sure there was actually almost a contested convention in like 1980. So no, this is objectively wrong and a bit of a modern convention.
It’s been true for roughly the last half a century that there has been a clear presumptive candidate going into the general. And in any case, the purpose of a primary is to select the candidate. As I said I think it’s going to be detrimental that Harris hasn’t actually won a primary, even though the primaries are a sham.
Doing more research, candidates that were picked from contested conventions are absolutely less likely to win in historically.
So close enough with a candidate as strong with his party as Trump.
Exactly. It’s extremely late in the game for this to happen. I believe Biden absolutely needed to not run for a second term, but he should have made that decision a year ago, not a few months before the general election. The stubbornness of the DNC has likely doomed the US to a second Trump presidency. I hope I’m wrong though.
Likely none, since he never had a chance anyways.
Kinda beside the point? The question is really what chances will the nominee have.
The question is “What effects will his decision have?” and not “What changes will the nominee have?”.
Yeah, but the question was answered as if it was “what effect will this have on Biden’s chances of being elected”. Saying “Biden didn’t have a chance anyway so nothing” is an irrelevant statement. The issue is whether it affects the Democrat’s chances of having a winning candidate.
When I wrote my comment it was.thw only comment. I literally answered the question how it was asked.
No, not really. Nobody asked what the effect was going to be on Biden being elected.
Now the “vote blue no matter who” crowd will be trying to gaslight leftists into voting for a pig.
Somehow, I think that’s going to be a much harder sell than even Genocide Joe was.
You’ve already made your determination not to vote, and no candidate seems to please you. So what are you going on about? What do you want?
If you ain’t voting for her, at least vote 3p… Write in carlin or Stewart… Doesn’t really ducking matter
I do feel sentiment on the pig angle tho… I don’t get how this is supposed to resonate with the the base lol
Literally the end now for the USA. Handing the white house to Trump and Vance. This couldn’t be worse. You’re going to see all kinds of violence in the country. Kids shooting kids at school, cops shooting first asking questions never, women’s rights to reproductive health taken away. Shits going to get real scary now.
Kids shooting kids at school, cops shooting first asking questions never, women’s rights to reproductive health taken away.
So exactly what we have now. Nothing you listed would be new, all of those are already here.
Same reaction here…
Like bro we are already getting squeezed on all fronts… Rent health care education all fucked
No social policy to speak of. Homeless…
Like we know it will get worse too lol the regime choice: is who do you want to fuck you this round, boy?
He’s from the UK. Like me in Canada, we get to live in relative bliss in not needing to worry about living in the current US reality…
